Windows 7 - Worries About Stealing, etc

Asked By sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 07:07 PM
You guys...you are all getting worked up about who stole what ideas and who
pirated what scripts and whatnot.  Easy there.  The world is full of people
who steal things, or borrow them, or incorporate them, or are inspired by
them.

Apple tried to sue Microsoft over the Macintosh "look and feel" and then
Microsoft pointed out that Apple took the Macintosh style from the Xerox Star
system.  Case dropped.

Anybody who is truly inventive will come up with newer ideas and better
implementations.  They do not have to worry about the also-ran copiers because
the folks who copy will always be left in the dust.

So, quit your bitching already and let us get back to malware problems, okay?




Leythos replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 03:32 PM
In article <hpl9if$9gv$2@news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2
@yahoo.com says...

When you have something that you value, that you have created, stolen by
another person and the credit changed to that person, you will not feel the
same way.

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Peter Foldes replied to Leythos on 08-Apr-10 04:06 PM
+1

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sfdavidkaye replied to Leythos on 08-Apr-10 08:07 PM
Oh, it is happened to me.  I created a list of telco area codes and prefixes,
toll charges (remember those?) and a small custom database program to display
them.  It would work on any DOS or Windows machine.  It was a simple, handy
way to check on long distance charges before making phone calls.  It even had
a hotkey set up under DOS where you could press an F key and bring it up.

Sure enough, someone stole it, put their name on it, whatever.

As DOS went on and Windows got faster and long distance charges no longer made
a difference, my program was quickly obsolete anyway.  And that is the way it
is in software.  You build something and you move on.  The imitators will be
imitating last year's ideas.

This is especially true of anti-malware programs.  I mean, heck, does anybody
who knows anything use Norton or McAfee anymore?  Or how about Ad Aware?  AAW
was hot just a year ago.  Now it is yesterday's news.  StopZilla?
Spyware Doctor? SpySweeper?  Hello?

You folks look like crybabies, bitching and moaning about who is stealing what
from whom and who is a good anti-malware expert and who is not.  There is room
enough for everyone at this table -- there is room enough for everyone who can
contribute ideas that will help to head off this invasion.
sfdavidkaye replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 08:13 PM
Here is a great example.  The McDonald brotherss did not invent the hamburger.
They figured out a way to mass produce them and sell them fast.  McDonald's
grew into a huge organization, for a long time #1 in fast food.

McDonald's spends money to scout new locations.  And guess what: Burger King
comes along and without spending money to scout new locations, they open up
down the street from the new McDonald's.

So, Burger King is stealing McDonald's game plan.  But remember, who is #1 and
who is #2.  Burger King will never be #1 because they are always following, one
step behind.
Tom Willett replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 04:24 PM
what
room
can

and your little epistle is not going to change anything.
FromTheRafters replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 05:04 PM
So it is okay with you to send folks needing help to a known liar and
thief's website?

...or to not warn them about the ethics of the PCButts1 domain owner?

Are you forgetting that "security" is in the name of this newsgroup as
well as "virus" is?

Warning folks about PCButts could be considered on topic for this group.
Leythos replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 06:11 PM
In article <hpld2u$lgp$2@news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2
@yahoo.com says...

So, your program was made obsolete and you do not mind and you stopped
developing it.

How about you get on the same page with the victims of this theft - they
CONTINUE TO UPDATE THEIR PROGRAMS, THEY CONTINUE TO BE VALID AND OF USE
TO MANY, but you want people to ignore that their hard work is being
pirated, their names removed, and that someone is making a profit off
their continued work?

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Leythos replied to sfdavidkaye on 08-Apr-10 06:14 PM
In article <hplde6$q7h$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2
@yahoo.com says...
[snip broken example that does not come close]

The pirated code was unique, it is still of value, still in service,
still being updated as new malware is released, and it is STILL BEING
PIRATED AND INCLUDED IN ANOTHER PERSONS CODE.

Get it now? The pirate IS STILL TAKING THE EFFORT AND CODE THAT IS BEING
UPDATED DAILY/WEEKLY and claiming it is his code.



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sfdavidkaye replied to Leythos on 09-Apr-10 09:39 AM
So get a cease and desist order on him already and be done with it.  And if
that does not work then sue him.  If the code is so valuable then it is worth
hiring a lawyer to make sure it does not get stolen.
sfdavidkaye replied to FromTheRafters on 09-Apr-10 09:41 AM
Personally, I am here and not reading a lot of the websites because the info
here is near-instantaneous and not filtered by webmasters.  I find a lot of
stuff on websites to be either incomplete or just plain wrong.  What other
people do to get their info is not of much concern to me.

I try to share what I can of the information I get, but Jesus Christ on a
Stick, it is getting so annoying having a newsgroup filled with
he-said/she-said all the time.
Leythos replied to sfdavidkaye on 09-Apr-10 08:31 AM
In article <hpmsjk$9gs$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2
@yahoo.com says...

it is hard to start a case from a person in the UK, an INDIVIDUAL THAT
TAKES NO MONEY FOR THEIR WORKS, in the USA - it is not cheap. Butts knows
this, that is why he takes code from people from outside the USA.

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sfdavidkaye replied to Leythos on 09-Apr-10 07:54 PM
Again, if the code is worth so much, then it is worth hiring legal counsel to
make it right.  I suspect that the code is not worth very much.
Leythos replied to sfdavidkaye on 09-Apr-10 04:16 PM
In article <hpo0mf$g1s$1@news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2
@yahoo.com says...

And you do not seem to understand how much it costs to file a case from
outside the country.

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sfdavidkaye replied to Leythos on 09-Apr-10 08:43 PM
Again, if the code is worth so much, then it is worth hiring legal counsel to
make it right.  I suspect that the code is not worth very much.

You're going round and round with this.  People have some very inflated ideas
of the value of what they do.  Some people think that just because they write
something or come up with a name that they have created value and that they
deserve to retire rich.

Let me say, having filed trademarks and copyrights and having seen
intellectual property stolen by some of the best in the business, a lot of
this stuff simply is not worth very much in the first place.

Again, the creative person can re-create the code better than before, while
the imitator will always be in second place.  The only trouble is if the
imitator has better marketing than the originator.  So, maybe the originator
needs to enlist the help of marketing people.  Generally, this does not happen
because the originator is so headstrong that they cannot work with others.

If you truly have good code, enlist the help of a partner who can bring it to
market.
Andy Medina replied to sfdavidkaye on 09-Apr-10 05:00 PM
[stuff]


So now you are engaged in the same stuff you originally stated you
Remember the "Tirades" thread:

Subject: The Tirades
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:23 PM

If you folks keep bitching and fighting instead of fighting malware
I am going
to go away.  I am trying to contribute useful information from my work
in the
field, but I will be damned if I am going to continue here if 3/4 of the
stuff is
people bitching at each other over perceived slights.  I have no time
for it.
David H. Lipman replied to Andy Medina on 09-Apr-10 05:49 PM
From: "Andy Medina" <gmedina@email.arizona.edu>

|  [stuff]


| So now you are engaged in the same stuff you originally stated you
| "have no time for".
| Remember the "Tirades" thread:

| Subject: The Tirades
| Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:23 PM

| If you folks keep bitching and fighting instead of fighting malware
| I am going
| to go away.  I am trying to contribute useful information from my work
| in the
| field, but I will be damned if I am going to continue here if 3/4 of the
| stuff is
| people bitching at each other over perceived slights.  I have no time
| for it.



+1

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The Real Truth MVP replied to sfdavidkaye on 09-Apr-10 06:17 PM
First let me say again that nothing of mine is stolen. That is why there is
no law suit. Second my software is nothing but standard DOS commands put
into a batch file. So if anyone is to sue me it would have to be Bill Gates.
All that BS Leythos has you believing is just that BS. He's pulling your
chain. That's what trolls do. Leythos wants you believe that I have been
doing that for 5 years. Yet not one law suit. You do the math, open your
eyes.


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sfdavidkaye replied to Andy Medina on 09-Apr-10 11:45 PM
For a few moments, then I drop it.  Notice that I have made very few posts on
this topic compared with the others.
FromTheRafters replied to The Real Truth MVP on 09-Apr-10 07:51 PM
But you *do* make unauthorized use of the work product of others.


That does not follow - there can be any number of reasons for not filing
a lawsuit.


it is all destined to be ones and zeroes, and nobody owns those (so
you are in the clear). :o\

(wanna buy a bridge?)

[more lies removed]
Leythos replied to The Real Truth MVP on 10-Apr-10 09:10 AM
In article <hpo91f$9c5$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...

Notice the play on words? Nothing of HIS is stolen, but he fails to
mention that content HE'S INCLUDED came from others and the embedded
signatures that are fakes, put there by the real authors prove he is

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Leythos replied to The Real Truth MVP on 10-Apr-10 09:17 AM
In article <hpo91f$9c5$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...

This is from a thread in July 2009, it clearly shows that Butts pirated
Stuarts work and included it in his "batch" file that butts takes credit
for. You can search Usenet archives for this if you want to follow the
thread.

From Leythos:
...
For those that do not know, Stuart inserted the obatssrsghde.exe marker
into his batch file to prove, to the community, that PCBUTTS1 / The Real
Truth MVP is actually a lying thief, and PCBUTTS admitted in his own
post that he created the marker and claimed to know what it was - even
claimed to have submitted the malware to anti-virus vendors, but the
joke was on him, Stuart told everyone in the community about it BEFORE
it appeared in PCBUTTS1 download.... There is no actual file named
obatssrsghde.exe in the malware community, it was a ruse.

The key is in the spelling:

obatssrsghde.exe
pcbuttsthief

If you change (add) 1 character to each letter you will see that
PCBUTTS1 is a thief.

Are there other markers - YES, does PCBUTTS1 know about them - know,
they have been there for a long time, but this is the most obvious one.

Face it Chris/PCBUTTS1/TRT, you have exposed yourself in public.

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David H. Lipman replied to Leythos on 10-Apr-10 09:39 AM
| In article <hpo91f$9c5$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...



| This is from a thread in July 2009, it clearly shows that Butts pirated
| Stuarts work and included it in his "batch" file that butts takes credit
| for. You can search Usenet archives for this if you want to follow the
| thread.


Public Marker #1
---------------------

IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\application data\seilhturtlaereht.inf"

seilhturtlaereht.inf  ==>  Drop the .INF

seilhturtlaereht ==> theealtruthlies

Public Marker #2
---------------------

IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe"
IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe">>remove-it.txt

The file;  "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" is a fabrication.  It does
not exist.

It, obatssrsghde.exe, is actually a file name in code.

obatssrsghde.exe ==> drop .EXE

obatssrsghde

increase character by 1 ==> pcbuttsthief

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Virus Guy replied to The Real Truth MVP on 10-Apr-10 11:45 PM
Someone answer me this:

Is any of this contentious code or scripts or what-ever, is any of it
being made available for a price?  Is anyone charging money for it?  Or
is it given away for free as public service in the fight against
malware?



That depends on two things:

a) is the creation (code, etc) acting as a source of income by
any of the so-called authors?

b) do any of the so-called authors make their real identity
fully and clearly visible to the end user of the
creative work - regardless if this work is given away
for free or is sold to the end user.

Authorship and/or correct attribution of a creative work is important.
But most of this thread that deals with the idea of people taking each
other to court becomes fruitless if nobody is selling the work or
gaining any revenue from it.

And if the real identities of the people that claim to have created
these works are not plainly visible to end users, then nobody can claim
that their recognition is being stolen from them if they do not
publically acknowledge their creative role.

Full-Quoter The Real Truth MVP top-poasted:


Has Leythos admitted to being an author of any of this code yet?

Do we know who he is?
JD replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 12:14 AM
The Real Truth MVP is not listed on the MVP list:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


The web page  http://www.ms-mvp.org/  uses Godaddy's stealth
frame-redirection  to redirect you to:
http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/tools/tools.htm


Check out ?pcbutts? using your favorite search engine.


Can you really trust someone like this? Do you really want to download
his software and/or follow his advice?


http://tekrider.net/usenet/pcbutts.php


Enough said. If you want to use his crap-ware, go for it. Stop trying to
justify his actions.

--
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Virus Guy replied to JD on 11-Apr-10 12:33 AM
That does not answer my question, nor did I raise that particular issue
at all.


Why are you trying to dodge my questions?

I asked two very clear questions.  Why are you dodging them?

a) Are these works offered for sale?

b) Do the authors clearly identify themselves to end users?
David H. Lipman replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 12:38 AM
| Has Leythos admitted to being an author of any of this code yet?

No, He is defending IP rights.

| Do we know who he is?

Yes, I do !

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David H. Lipman replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 12:39 AM
| a) Are these works offered for sale?

No, they do not have to be.

| b) Do the authors clearly identify themselves to end users?

Yes, they have.

Now stop being an argumentative idiot.

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Leythos replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 10:25 AM
No, Copyright does not require anything that you suggest, copyright is
assumed as soon as you create the work. The authors identity is attached
in clear form to the work that was pirated and removed by PCButts1.


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Virus Guy replied to Leythos on 11-Apr-10 11:24 AM
Please post the names of the authors of the code or scripts in question.

If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help -
about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright documents,
or on the website that hosts the software) then you should have no
problem stating the author names as I request in your next reply to me.
The Real Truth MVP replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 11:49 AM
No, all of my software listed on http://www.ms-mvp.org/ is free and I do not
ask for donations.


See above


No, it is not required. I do however have certain code marking in my free
stuff that I use as proof of ownership to my ISP when the trolls try to file
fraudulent DMCA complaints. Yes my company name and address is listed, as
required by law on the products I do sell.


That's part of the reason we are here. Leythos is not the author of
anything. He is jealous and has self appointed himself as the newsgroup
ethics police.




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Leythos replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 11:52 AM
You can contact the author yourself. You can find the author by
searching for PCBUTTS1 THIEF in googl groups threads, it is easy enough
if you are not just trolling.

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MEB replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 12:17 PM
Stating specific names is not necessary nor required by Law anywhere,
particularly to YOU as you have no legal authority in any form and it is
clear your intent is to argue legal nonsense, just as you always do.

IF the subject party can, by conclusive proof, show that *they* are the
original creator, the Law protects the artistic license, copyright, and
applicable other, from the moment the FACT occurred [save under
extremely limited circumstances wherein other might apply] REGARDLESS of
whether that party has done so in their TRUE name or not. Usage of a

YOU, OTOH, being the party stealing the work, would be without defense
should the creator/owner chose to proceed against you civilly, OR should
it fall into the criminal Law area wherein any prosecutor of competent
jurisdiction might take issue.
Beyond that, you, as thief, would also be a perfect subject for
ridicule, exposure, and whatever else others chose to leverage against you.

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Virus Guy replied to The Real Truth MVP on 11-Apr-10 01:57 PM
This code or scripts or what-ever it is, it is claimed to be available
from 2 sources.  You and someone else (the someone else being perhaps a
single person, or a group of people - I do not know).

Putting aside the issue of whether or not this is the exact same code or
who is the second party in this matter, have they ever offered their
version of it for sale?


I was not making the point that author identification was required in any
sense for software to be made available for public use.

The argument being made in this thread is that when code is "stolen" and
then incorporated into another product, that the theft breaks the
authorship trail, and the rightful authors are not properly acknowledged
for their work.

If, however, the authors never reveal themselves in the first place (ie
- if they remain anonymous) then how can it be said that the real
author(s) are harmed by the lack of proper acknowledgement?


To my recollection, he certainly has never admitted what role he has in
this software (is it Malware Bytes?  Is that what we are talking about?).
Virus Guy replied to Leythos on 11-Apr-10 02:06 PM
I do not want to contact the author.  I just want to know who he is.

Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because
others are stealing his code.

So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it
deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so
that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts.

You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or
denying if you know who the authors are.

I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names
of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves
known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed
by the lack of proper attribution.

You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the
authorship this so-called stolen code.

But you are also not providing that same information.

So you are no different than Butts in that regard.
Virus Guy replied to MEB on 11-Apr-10 02:11 PM
I never said that it was.

I am simply asking who is the other claimed author of this contentious
code.

Most of this thread deals with the injustice or harm that comes from
stealing or using other people's code without giving proper attribution
or recognition.

So I am asking who exactly should be given that attribution or
recognition *if* indeed we are dealing with improper code usage.
The Real Truth MVP replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 02:53 PM
There is no other author. I am the only author. That is why, and I keep
saying this, nobody has come forward to dispute my claim except the trolls
who are joined at the hip and only have one goal in mind. There was 1 person
who tried to steal/copy my software but I quickly put a stop to it by
changing my software. His name was Stuart Saunders or something like that. I
made it too difficult for him to copy and produce a working copy that he
stopped. If you want proof. I stopped updating the online version of my
Remove-it software last year in September 09. The real thief
http://www.internetinspiration.co.uk/roguefix.htm coincidentally has not
made a single update to his. If I make an update two weeks later his will
probably get updated. If you look here you will see the main differences
between both http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/Features.htm. Just so you
know my Remove-it software has been repackaged under a different name and is
now sold on my other website. A free version is also available, it supports
Windows 2000 thru Windows 7 32 & 64 bit. I posted about what is new back in
January of course the trolls did not reply to it because they could not
believe it. They have since forgot about it and I do not dare say the name
of it or provide a link to it.


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*WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
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David H. Lipman replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 03:09 PM
| I do not want to contact the author.  I just want to know who he is.

| Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because
| others are stealing his code.

| So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it
| deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so
| that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts.

| You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or
| denying if you know who the authors are.

| I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names
| of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves
| known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed
| by the lack of proper attribution.

| You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the
| authorship this so-called stolen code.

| But you are also not providing that same information.

| So you are no different than Butts in that regard.

I just posted several names recently in alt.* threads.
Find it !


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David H. Lipman replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 03:18 PM
That's why the following was placed in RogueFix and other non-public ones as well.

Stuart Suanders is not alone.  He is one of MANY victims of the salacitious code thief,


Public Marker #1
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IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\application data\seilhturtlaereht.inf"

seilhturtlaereht.inf  ==>  Drop the .INF

seilhturtlaereht ==> theealtruthlies

Public Marker #2
---------------------

IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe"
IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe">>remove-it.txt

The file;  "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" is a fabrication.  It does
not exist.

It, obatssrsghde.exe, is actually a file name in code.

obatssrsghde.exe ==> drop .EXE

obatssrsghde

increase character by 1 ==> pcbuttsthief

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
JD replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 03:38 PM
Here is the real truth:

The Real Truth MVP is not listed on the MVP list:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


The web page  http://www.ms-mvp.org/  uses Godaddy's stealth
frame-redirection  to redirect you to:
http://pcbutts1.com/downloads/tools/tools.htm


Check out ?pcbutts? using your favorite search engine.


Can you really trust someone like this? Do you really want to download
his software and/or follow his advice?


The guy now says he is a woman, well two different women:

http://tekrider.net/usenet/pcbutts.php

Virusguy, what is the point you are trying to make? Surely you are not
trying to convince this newsgroup that PC Butts is actually a person to
be trusted?

I doubt you will agree to anything you see here so do not bother replying
to me because I am not going to play your little game anymore. Run some
of Butts software, lots of luck!  8-)

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FromTheRafters replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 06:50 PM
Ah, but they *have*.

Maybe you can do this research yourself with Google (it is on the web)?
FromTheRafters replied to Virus Guy on 11-Apr-10 06:55 PM
True, it is about PCButts being such a pain in the ass.
FromTheRafters replied to The Real Truth MVP on 11-Apr-10 07:19 PM
...but the threads about the markers have *proven* the information flow
was from his to yours.

VG:

It is not always about the "code" per se - there is work being done to
target newly emerging malware for removal. After the work is done, the
new software (not specifically program code) is available. Then, it
becomes a part of PCButts' "program" and he claims it as his. The
PCButts' program (and they consist of data *pointing* to PCButts as the
lying thief that it is).

There is no way PCButts can change the fact of information flow that
provides the *proof* that "therealtruthlies".

As to whether or not anyone can prove "injury", I do not know. The photo
of Sara is probably in the Public Domain (IIRC by agreement at the site)
and PCButts can do was it wishes with it - but just because it is legal
does not make it ethical.
The Real Truth MVP replied to FromTheRafters on 11-Apr-10 08:48 PM
Why do not you do something about it. You are so pissed at me that you come
here and cry all day why do not you grow some balls and stop me. Or stop your
bitching crybaby.



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sfdavidkaye replied to Leythos on 12-Apr-10 02:12 AM
One way to further verify the authorship of a work is to add something
frivolous.  In mapmaking, a cartographer will add a fake street.  In software
I used to add fake code that was never called -- it looked pretty but it
did not do anything.
David H. Lipman replied to sfdavidkaye on 11-Apr-10 10:55 PM
| One way to further verify the authorship of a work is to add something
| frivolous.  In mapmaking, a cartographer will add a fake street.  In software
| I used to add fake code that was never called -- it looked pretty but it
| did not do anything.


Are you NOT reading what I have posted ?

Butts has consistently plagiarized the work of Stuart Saunders for the conglomeration of
plagiarized software called Remove-It.  Stuart would update RogueFix and butts would soon
follow with an update to Remove-It so early on Stuart has placed public and non-public
markers in RogueFix to mark this constant plagiarism.

Public Marker #1
---------------------

IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\application data\seilhturtlaereht.inf"

seilhturtlaereht.inf  ==>  Drop the .INF

seilhturtlaereht ==> theealtruthlies

Public Marker #2
---------------------

IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe"
IF EXIST "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" echo "%UserProfile%\local
settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe">>remove-it.txt

The file;  "%UserProfile%\local settings\temp\obatssrsghde.exe" is a fabrication.  It does
not exist.

It, obatssrsghde.exe, is actually a file name in code.

obatssrsghde.exe ==> drop .EXE

obatssrsghde

increase character by 1 ==> pcbuttsthief


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Peter Foldes replied to The Real Truth MVP on 11-Apr-10 11:26 PM
BS and a big one at that too

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JD replied to The Real Truth MVP on 11-Apr-10 11:29 PM
You have been compromised. Nobody believes your bs. We're not "pissed
off" at you, we are tired of your bs and we have let everyone know about
you. You've been stopped or why else would you keep posting your bs
trying to convimce everyone that you are really OK.

Get some help Chris. Really. There is something wrong with you.

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sfdavidkaye replied to David H. Lipman on 12-Apr-10 03:58 AM
Generally speaking I have NOT been reading these threads because the "he
said/she said" is tiresome to read.  Personally, I do not care who has
plagiarized whom and who is accusing whom of what.

I am only on this newsgroup to learn about malware.  When I no longer get
useful information here I will drop this newsgroup.


Then the original author should get a cease and desist order or sue the
miscreant, that is, if the matter is that important.  But all this bitching
here is not going to solve anything.
Virus Guy replied to JD on 12-Apr-10 12:07 AM
Nothing you posted (and which I am not going to quote) answers my
question (above).


I am asking a question, and everyone is dancing around answering it.

If PC butts is not the author of the code in question, then who is?

How much simpler can I make that question?

To what new lengths are you people going to go through to avoid
answering the question?
Virus Guy replied to FromTheRafters on 12-Apr-10 12:10 AM
Sorry, I do not play hide and seek.

There must be some reason why the names of these authors are not being
revealed here.

I want to believe that someone other than PC butts wrote this fantastic
code.  But I cannot until you give me the name of the real author(s).
FromTheRafters replied to Virus Guy on 12-Apr-10 06:38 AM
Your loss.


Because you are being rude,


Oh well. Do you think anybody cares what you believe?
FromTheRafters replied to The Real Truth MVP on 12-Apr-10 06:47 AM
I was not bitching or crying, and I am not pissed at you. I was only
pointing out how you cannot get out from under the overwhelming body of
evidence of your lying thieving activities no matter what new lies you
come up with.

...but it sure sounds like *you* are a whining little girl.
Leythos replied to Virus Guy on 12-Apr-10 09:14 AM
Your question was answered several times, both with a direct name as
well as what to search for in Google Archives.

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Stuart Saunders replied to The Real Truth MVP on 12-Apr-10 12:19 PM
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My name is Stuart, author and distributor of the script called
Roguefix. I do not normally post, and I have no intention of making a
habit of it, but I feel it is time for me to exercise a right of reply
following the lies, defamation and libellous comments posted by The
real truth AKA PCButts1

=91The real truth=92 is Patrick Christopher Butts and has, since September
2006 copied and re-distributed the bat file initially in the same form
but then bastardised it and merged with other =91stolen=92 works, re-
packaged as Remove-it, claiming it to be his work.
Butts does not have a different version for sale from his or any other
website, he simply has not updated Remove-it because Roguefix has not
been updated since 19th October 2009 as a result of a deterioration of
health issues which needed to be addressed.

Butts, I have proved the script was written by me and will do so
again, here if necessary. I have made others aware of markers placed
by me and appear in Remove-it, some were ceremoniously and
entertainingly exposed.
Whereas you have claimed for sometime now that you have markers in the
script to show I stole from you, but you have failed to offer a single
one to support your claims, now is your chance Butts to back up your
claims and show to anyone who is remotely interested that there are
markers put there by you in the script I distribute.

Wanna play Butts?  Bring your shovel with you.

Stuart
The Real Truth MVP replied to Stuart Saunders on 12-Apr-10 07:12 PM
Look you dumb ass everything that is in your script is in my script because
you stole it from me. Everything that is in my script is NOT in your script
because they are added later during my setup. Your stolen batch file cannot
do that. Now get lost you fake ass bastard.

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My name is Stuart, author and distributor of the script called
Roguefix. I do not normally post, and I have no intention of making a
habit of it, but I feel it is time for me to exercise a right of reply
following the lies, defamation and libellous comments posted by The
real truth AKA PCButts1

?The real truth? is Patrick Christopher Butts and has, since September
2006 copied and re-distributed the bat file initially in the same form
but then bastardised it and merged with other ?stolen? works, re-
packaged as Remove-it, claiming it to be his work.
Butts does not have a different version for sale from his or any other
website, he simply has not updated Remove-it because Roguefix has not
been updated since 19th October 2009 as a result of a deterioration of
health issues which needed to be addressed.

Butts, I have proved the script was written by me and will do so
again, here if necessary. I have made others aware of markers placed
by me and appear in Remove-it, some were ceremoniously and
entertainingly exposed.
Whereas you have claimed for sometime now that you have markers in the
script to show I stole from you, but you have failed to offer a single
one to support your claims, now is your chance Butts to back up your
claims and show to anyone who is remotely interested that there are
markers put there by you in the script I distribute.

Wanna play Butts?  Bring your shovel with you.

Stuart
FromTheRafters replied to The Real Truth MVP on 12-Apr-10 07:19 PM
Crybaby!
David H. Lipman replied to FromTheRafters on 12-Apr-10 07:23 PM
From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic @nomail.afraid.org>



| Crybaby!


And a f'n lying b@stard!

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Peter Foldes replied to The Real Truth MVP on 12-Apr-10 07:49 PM
Best defense is an offence and sorry to say you do not have either of them Chris.
Lying and cheating comes easy to you. Maybe you should have a direct talk with
yourself in front of the mirror. That should be interesting for your persona

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Leythos replied to The Real Truth MVP on 12-Apr-10 08:02 PM
In article <hq09d0$jht$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...

And how do you explain the butts is a thief code that you copied into

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Virus Guy replied to Stuart Saunders on 12-Apr-10 08:07 PM
Stuart - thank you for responding.

Let me ask you this:

To your knowledge, does the PC Butts software (Remove-it, or other)
contain any malicious code or anything that would or could be a security
concern to an end-user?

Does the PC Butts software (in it is entirety) function as a compentent
malware scanner / removal utility?
Leythos replied to Virus Guy on 12-Apr-10 08:17 PM
You seem to be suffering from a flaw in your thinking, let me help you:

malware scanner / removal utility, while at the same time understanding
that anything PCBUTTS edited/changed/added could be broken or malicious
and is actually known to block access to reputable anti-malware sites"

Now that is a proper question, you seem to miss that BUTTS does not have
software, he has code he is cobbled together that he is taken from OTHERS.



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David H. Lipman replied to Virus Guy on 12-Apr-10 08:36 PM
| Stuart - thank you for responding.

| Let me ask you this:

| To your knowledge, does the PC Butts software (Remove-it, or other)
| contain any malicious code or anything that would or could be a security
| concern to an end-user?

| Does the PC Butts software (in it is entirety) function as a compentent
| malware scanner / removal utility?

Are you joking ?

You are writing just like the Troll BoaterDave (aka; ~BD~).


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The Real Truth MVP replied to Virus Guy on 12-Apr-10 09:36 PM
Email addresses removed so the trolls will not bother my customers.



----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 3:46 PM




----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:05 PM
Subject: feedback



----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:16 AM
Subject: userinit fix


Worked like a charm. I am most grateful to you.

Thanks


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:14 AM
Subject: Your tools



First i'd like to say thanks for posting your tools on the microsoft
discussion groups. They have been of great use in helping to fix winsock
catalog problem on a friends PC.



I would like to ask regarding remove it. After it has altered the HOSTS file
i started up spybot S&D and checked there immunize section. I noticed that i
was unprotected against 13022 possible threats.



would you recommend running the immunization to change the HOSTS file to
protect against these threats? Or will you be releasing an update that
includes the latest threats ??





Many many thanks for your time


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JD replied to David H. Lipman on 12-Apr-10 10:42 PM
Have you noticed that boaterDave and Virusguy seem to have a newsgroup
style very similar to PCbutts? These two posters want us to start over
with the PCbutts BS to convince them of something that everyone else
agrees on: PCButts is not to be trusted.

And then we have PCbutts posting his "feedback" of how good his software is.

Are we being scammed here? I have dealt with PCbutts one to one and his
logic is flawed. His BS is old. He's actually tried to convince me he is
a female and a model. See this:

http://tekrider.net/usenet/pcbutts.php

This newsgroup has become toast. Nobody comes here for help. PCbutts has
made his mark. That's too bad.  8-(

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Peter Foldes replied to David H. Lipman on 12-Apr-10 11:25 PM
He also uses the 98Guy name. Just ask Meb about this Troll

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David H. Lipman replied to Peter Foldes on 12-Apr-10 11:34 PM
| He also uses the 98Guy name. Just ask Meb about this Troll

I know.

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Leythos replied to The Real Truth MVP on 13-Apr-10 06:30 AM
In article <hq0hqd$2pe$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...

You do not have "Customers", you have people you have conned into using
pirated wares that could also block access to reputable anti-malware
sites by your own admission.

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FromTheRafters replied to Leythos on 13-Apr-10 07:09 AM
Don't bother arguing with Virus Guy, ethics is not something he is
concerned about:

http://help.lockergnome.com/security/Norton-AV-2002-run-Win98se--ftopict11539.html

He's trying to show that it is not ethical to block the PCButts1 website
because it is not offering *malware*. He has already been informed about
why it *should* be blocked - he just wants to argue and be rude to
others.
Stuart Saunders replied to Virus Guy on 13-Apr-10 08:15 AM
Virus Guy:

Any utility which blocks access to legitimate (mainly security
related) websites and disables/interferes/prevents the running of
malware scanners is, in my book at least, malware.

The words 'function as a competant removal utility' and 'Remove-it'
should never be used in the same sentence, its been a while since I
last looked so I grabbed the version currently available. You may want
to download a copy yourself as no doubt changes will be made to Remove-
it shortly in his lame attempts to call me a liar which will
undoubtedly follow.

Rmit.exe =96 Is the portion of Roguefix which removes files and folders
belonging to the infection if they are present, with a few (often
bodged) added commands of his own. It is compiled to an exe and when
executed runs the batch file with a random number file name from the
%user%/Local Settings/Application Data/Temp directory. The compiling
also hides the following associated files which are dumped into the
%user%/Local Settings/Application Data Directory =96

Beep.sys - A copy of the Microsoft file

bgregfix.reg =96 A reg file set the background registry back to the
default settings and is part of Roguefix but used by Butts as a stand
alone script in an attempt to give the files a different appearance.

databasepath.reg =96 A reg file to re-set the Tcpip paramaters, commonly
known and available, except later in the script he runs the netsh
command, and if Butts knew his stuff he would have known running this
command also resets the Tcpip parameters, rendering this script
pointless. In addition running the netsh command will also remove any
legitimate hooks in the TCP/IP stack from firewalls, ISP's etc.

exefix.reg =96 A reg file to reset exe file associations,(which
incidentally is the same script published by the No1 answer in google
search for exe associations) and is totally useless within this
context . . . if the exe file associations were changed, the rmit.exe
would not run therefore the script to repair the exe associations
would not also . . . just a little insight to his actual level of
skills/knowledge.

HOSTS =96 a copy of the mvps hosts file written by winhelp2002 with
lines added to block access to websites owned by those he steals code
from, those who expose him and Malwearebytes Antimalware.

Hpregfix.reg =96 A reg file to re-set the homepage taken from the
Roguefix script and used as a stand alone script in an attempt to give
the file a different appearance. However as Roguefix began its life as
a small script to remove the Rogue Spy Falcon, targeted for users of
the AOL UK message boards which I frequented, the file (and
subsequently Butts utilities) actually set the homepage to MSN.CO.UK -
maybe Butts can explain why he does this when he is in the U.S.

IEDef.reg =96 A script written by Shadowputerdude to remove registry
keys to a Rogue called IEDefender. The script was updated to include
other variants, however upon finding out Butts was copying it the
author compiled the script to prevent the plagiarising.
This Rogue has not been seen for at least 2 years and running the
script is totally pointless.

Nfig.reg =96 A reg script which removes some system and Explorer
registry values (irrespective of whether or not they have been
changed) and does not replace them with default values. It also
removes some registry keys for 4 variants of the Bagle worm, I don=92t
know where he stole this one from but as it would have been normal for
an author to just add keys to their existing reg file as opposed to
making a new one using a different coding style, it is clear it has
just been lifted from another website/person.

Process.exe =96 A program written and available from BeyondLogic, added
to the package because it is used by the IEDef script, nothing else in
the script uses it and as the outdated version of IEDef is pointless,
the inclusion of Process.exe is also a waste of space.

Regf.reg -  Another pointless reg file which resets several registry
values that are reset by other files within your package.

Remove-it restorepoint.vbs =96 This one is quite funny, a script to
Leythos replied on 13-Apr-10 08:30 PM
In article <hq31k1$t3e$1@leythos.motzarella.org>, trt@void.com says...

You have only embarrassed yourself - being unable to dispute the markers
put in the file you distributed that named you a thief.

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