Windows 7 - invisible message body

I can only view messages by selecting View Message in HTML.  This started 2
days ago, and I cannot figure out what happened.  AFAIK, no settings have
been changed, and only my granddaughter was playing some games at
nickjr.com, in between mail sessions.  I have tried the repair.  Do I need to
re-install?  This is Version 2009, Build 14.0.8117.0416.

White print on white background will give invisible messages

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Peter
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If that is happening you can click "select all" to see the white text.
BTW, you should either fix your sig, or learn to post. Replying to your
post strips the OP contribution.

Doesn't Thunderbird v11 have a toggle to stop stripping at the signature
on demand yet? I used Thunderbird for years and stopped just last week
when I found out like 2% of the posts never showed up. And this has been
going on for years. And some believed I had them in my killfile (which I
never had a use for). Only quality stuff from Mozilla, eh?

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP

it is not white on white, or at least it is not behaving like that.  "Select
All" does not make anything appear.  it is like nothing is there at all, until
I select "View message in HTML".  I tried a uninstall/reinstall, and nothing
changed.  Thanks for the replies.

What happens when you CTRL-F3 (view source)? Is it all there?

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP

I uninstalled again, and this time I deleted the "C:\Program Files
(x86)\Windows Live" folder.  Things seem to be back to normal now, after
another re-install.  After each re-install, though, my settings would still
be there.  Even after deleting the Windows Live folder, all my accounts
reloaded again, just needing the passwords.

Well I been posting regularly since the early 90's with over 250,000 posts and
according to you I should learn. Check you set up and correct your setup then you
will not see it. No one has yet complained to me after all those posts and all those
years. So again fix your setup of your WL client

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Peter
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Oh, so it is everyone else's fault who did not tell you how to properly
place a sigdash delimiter line, uh huh.  Geez, even YOU know that
*everything* after the sigdash is in your SIGNATURE.  Please enlighten
us on the purpose, use, and definition of the signature delimiter line.
For everyone else, it identifies the START of your signature.  There is
no end-of-signature delimiter line so EVERYTHING after the sigdash is in
your *signature*.  Duh!  You're really trying to tell us that such logic
escapes you?

After all those years, you are really claiming that you have no clue on
how the signature delimiter line works?  The signature block goes at the
END of your message.  The start of the signature block is identified by
a dash-dash-space character sequence ("-- ") starting at position 1 in a
line.  That's all you have in the line.  All lines following the sigdash
delimiter are your signature.  ALL LINES.  There is no end-of-signature
delimiter to identify where your signature ends.  Whatever is after the
signature start delimiter line is your signature.  All of it.

You think you are the only Outlook Express user that is too lazy to review
their post and properly position the signature at the END whether you
top- or bottom-post?  You have even been told more than once in the past
on how to apply registry edits that will make OE place the sig at the
end of your post to overcome your laziness, or to just get rid of the
fluff sig to eliminate OE's bad behavior that you continue to permit.

So you have been posting a long time and you have lots of posts.
Basically you are telling everyone you are too ignorant to figure out how
to properly position a signature.  Okay, but do not pretend that your
quantity and duration of posting constitutes an excuse for you.  What
you are really telling us is that you have been doing it wrong all that
time and you also know you have been doing it wrong all that time.

You're too lazy to correct bad behavior by OE in that it places the
canned signature at the end of your new content instead of at the end of
your entire message.  You're too lazy to do the registry edits to fix
OE's bad behavior.  For someone who claims ancient and long-lived
participation in Usenet, why do you continue to proclaim your ignorance
on how signatures work?

Why do you use a reader like Dialog2 that is far too rigid to adjust,
Vanguard? Why use stupid readers that are too dumb to realize that hey,
there is more here than just a signature so do not chop it out?

You see Vanguard, it is far easier to fix the software than to fix 2
billion computer users. If people like you would stop using that crappy
software, then developers would actually fix their own software! Keep
using that crappy software and they will not bother. And that is the
way it is!

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP

I would not worry too much about it Peter. Magnus is using Thunderbird
v11. I used Thunderbird for many years and I cannot believe I put up with
the piece of nonsense. Instead of blaming their poor piece of software,
they have to pick on somebody else. Go figure.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

Oh, rigid, as in I have the option whether or not to strip or dim the
signature portion of a viewed message (I choose the latter), or as in to
strip out the signature in a reply or not (I choose the former as that
is consider netiquette in trimming the reply).

I choose to *dim* the signature portion of a message when viewing it.
That let us me see that it is there and, if I choose, I can go read it
but it is not in my face and is clearly identified as the signature.
That I choose to dim or strip the signature when viewing it does not
alter that it is the SIGNATURE!  Quoted content is NOT to be part of
your signature; else, it violates other netiquette regarding the length
of the signature.  So not only is Peter violating the purpose of the
sigdash delimiter line but he makes his signatures too long.


Heh heh heh heh, advice on newsreaders from someone that uses Windows
Live Mail, now that is rich.

I too have the same option under OE-QuoteFix. If on, OE-QuoteFix dims
the sig and if I hit reply, it will strip anything starting at the sig.
But OE-QuoteFix is not stupid! If I see there is something past the sig,
I just hold down the ALT key and it will not strip it out. Your software is
just too dumb, plain and simple.

And talking about netiquette, it is also poor netiquette to blame others
for your poor software. Get on the developers case! If they do not
listen, switch to something that actually works.


If I could use OE6 under Windows 7/8 I would. WLM is the closest thing
to it. And I have used dozens of newsreaders and I find the rest are
really dumb and stupid (just like yours is too dumb). I guess some of
the others are ok for binaries which I learned right away is a very bad
place to go to. So I left and never looked back. ;-)

it is funny, back in the 80's we used dialup connections and DOS or CP/M
based readers (offline readers we called them actually). And we would
download packets quickly and then view all of the new messages offline.
You would reply and create packets that you would upload next time you
dialed up.

These offline reader programmers learned really quickly not to go too
fancy with the editor part. As everybody had their favorite editor and
wanted an editor to work like their favorite one. And the solution was
to dump the quoted text into a temp file and shell and the reader would
actually load one's favorite editor with macros and all and let you go
to compose. When done you saved and exited and the reader would grab it
and then place it into your upload packet. All very, very slick.

One of my favorite readers was the Bluewave Reader. That thing was super
slick. Different color for headers, your post, quoting, sigs, tags, etc.
And this was all text based. There is nothing like it in the GUI world
like this. So why did readers get so wimpy in the GUI world? Microsoft
sort of grabbed some parts of them back then, but did not go far enough.
The rest of them today besides Microsoft do not even come close.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

Sad that some folks have to find their identity in the sigs... Clue
here... it is spam to everyone... troll...

Wow, you really want to pretend you are too dumb to understand the
difference between dim, hide, and strip?  Dialog is not stripping
anything out.   It can either not show it, show it, or dim it.  Go ahead
and keep making up your stories.


You can.  You just choose not to.

Or that they think they even need a signature which is usually ego fluff
and nearly always off-topic.

Wow! Then stop your bitching then. If you are going to act stupid, you
are going to be treated as stupid!


No I have been trying for 3 years now! You sir, are a fraud and a liar!

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

HEY CLUELESS! Standing up for what is right and defending others is not
being a troll! And sigs are not classified as spam! But you are too dumb
to know any better, are not you?

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

How my newsreader handles signatures (which ONLY has a *start*-of-sig
delimiter line, no end-of-sig delimiter) has nothing to do with the
actually issue (which you tried to sidetrack) which was how the sigdash
delimiter works and WHERE signatures should be place in replies.

Bill: If I could use OE6 under Windows 7/8 I would.
Me:   You can.  You just choose not to.
Bill: No I have been trying for 3 years now! You sir, are a fraud and a
liar!

Here is my canned reply for others wanting to use OE under Win7 (so it
will contain info that you already know).

When it was supported, Outlook Express (OE) came bundled with Internet
Explorer (IE).  OE has long been unsupported (which does not equate to
unusable).  You cannot get OE separately from IE.  They came bundled
together.  As of IE7 and later, OE is no longer bundled with IE.  IE6
was the last version that bundled OE with it.  Microsoft is not going to
bundle unsupported products with supported products.

Windows XP comes with IE6 as its baseline version hence why OE is
available with that operating system.  Vista comes with IE7 and Windows
7 comes with IE8 as their baseline versions of that web browser.  You
cannot install earlier versions of IE on those Windows platforms.

You could run VirtualPC, VMWare Server, VirtualBox, or other virtual
machine managers (VMMs) on Vista/7 and then install a pre-Vista version
of Windows in a virtual machine (VM) to have OE running inside that
virtual machine.  That requires installing the VMM, installing pre-Vista
Windows in a virtual machine (VM), and then load that VM when you want
to run OE.  According to Microsoft's EULAs, you will need another
license of Windows to run it inside a VM.  That is a lot of work and
nuisance along with the expense of 2 licenses for Windows (host and
guest) to run a long-dead e-mail client.

_Using Outlook Express under Windows 7_
Windows 7 does not include a bundled e-mail or newsreader client.
You'll have to choose one and install it.  For the Professional,
Ultimate, and Enterprise editions of Windows 7, a license of Windows
XP SP-3 is included called XP Mode.  If you install XP Mode and then
Windows VirtualPC (WVPC), you will have Windows XP available as a
guest OS running inside a virtual machine.  Windows XP comes with IE6
so OE6 will be available.
See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Win7xpmode-IE6OE6


The above info was not divined by myself.  I found it by Google searches
or reading posts from other users noting how to get OE working in Win7.
There was no rocket science involved in gleaning this existing info.

Depends on WHAT content is in the signature.  After all this time, you
have not noticed lots of posters pretending to help but who are actually
here to advertize their wares in their sigs?

That is totally different. And that does not mean all sigs are spam like
clueless Magnus claims.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP

That is not what I am talking about when I say I would like to run OE6
under Windows 7. As I have virtually no interest in running emulators,
virtual machines, or anything else like this. As I do not see the point?
Why create a XP virtual machine when running the real XP alone on a
machine is always going to be far better anyway?

And you can find OE6 install file(s) on the net. But even these do not
work under Windows 7. I even tried Portable OE6 versions. They work fine
on XP machines, but not under Windows 7.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 8 CP

Walks like a duck...

I was not aware of criteria that you did not state.  Oh, that must also
mean I am a liar.  You are the liar.  You claim it cannot be done and when
proven otherwise you change the criteria.

No, I did not change the criteria. As that is not running OE6 under
Windows 7 IMHO. That is running XP under Windows 7. Which is nothing
more than running OE6 under XP once again. So there is not any gain. You
still have XP hanging around.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3