Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

I have been reading this newsgroup for several months now and it appears
that Vista seems to work very well for some and not for others. What I
haven't been able to determine is just how bad /good is Vista. Are the
people that are having problems making the most noise? Are the people that
are not having problems just not saying anything?

I remembered that Newegg.com lets people post reviews about the products
they purchase on their web site. For a non-bias opinion I went to Newegg's
site and read some reviews people posted on the Vista operating systems.
Here is one example posted for OEM 32 bit Vista Home Premium. I chose this
product because it had the most reviews (477) posted. The other versions of
Vista were very similar to Home Premium.

Excellent/Good - 71%
Average - 12%
Poor/Very Poor - 17%

There you have it. Draw your own conclusions. Too bad Newegg doesn't sell
Ubuntu. :-)

Well, damn, here we go again...the start of another flame war!

Well, damn, here we go again...the start of another flame war!

Why are you asking such a silly question anyway?  You are asking for people's
OPINIONS.  Some like Vista; some don't. Some, like myself, have had only very
minor problems; some have had very serious problems.  Some solutions are very
simple: some are not.

Why don't you just read the posts to see what problems and solutions might apply
to you?

All you are doing is contributing to the useless noise in this newsgroup and
giving the lintrolls another excuse for spewing insults and useless OPINIONS.


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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

While not perfect (no software product is), Vista works very well on
fully compatible hardware and with only fully compatible applications
installed.




Not entirely, as no software product in existence is 100% flawless.
Some people (a very small percentage of Vista's installation base) have
experienced real problems.

And many of the problems are self-inflicted by people who ....

*1)*  ... Rushed out to buy the newest and shiniest OS without taking a
few minutes to determine:

a.  If they really needed a new operating system,

b.  If the new operating system would or could meet their computing
needs and desires,

c.  If their existing hardware was adequate to meet the new OS'
requirements,

d.  If the manufacturers of their PC's components and/or peripherals
(printers, scanners, cameras, etc.) had provided new, Vista-specific
device drivers and/or software to use with their products,

e.  And whether or not all of the 3rd party applications that they
already owned were Vista-compatible, or could be made so be a patch or
update from each programs' respective manufacturer.

*2)*  ... Encountered a steeper than expected learning curve.  Vista is
different from earlier versions of Windows, and learning those
differences takes time and effort.

*3)*  ... Harbor a simple, old-fashioned (but all too common) fear of
change.

However, most of the "noise" in this newsgroup is just that: noise.
There is a very vocal anti-Microsoft and anti-Vista cadre of trolls who
spout a great deal of venom, but apparently have little or no real
experience with either computers in general, or Vista in particular,
based upon some of the nonsense they spout.  These pathetic individuals
seem to derive a considerable amount of pleasure from simply disrupting
newsgroups for no other purpose than to sow discord.  They have no
interest in helping anyone and are doing their best to make it difficult
for those who honestly seek help to filter the chaff from the wheat, so
to speak.



That's exactly it.  Do you spontaneously call your doctor to let him
know that you're feeling fine?  Do you spontaneously call an auto
mechanic to tell him that your car is working as advertised?  This
newsgroup exists for the purpose of helping people resolve problems with
Vista, so almost all of the legitimate posts you'll see are reporting
problems.  In a manner of speaking, this is the complaint department;
one would expect to see very little else in this newsgroup.  (Just as
one would expect to see mostly sick or injured people in a hospital.
That doesn't mean that everyone in the local area is sick or injured.)

Every once in a while, you'll see someone post a message saying that
they have no problems, and that Vista is wonderful.  When these posts
are in response to the trolls' FUD, they're probably sincere and
well-intended, although they do serve the trolls' insatiable desire for
attention.  When someone spontaneously submits a post extolling Vista's
virtues, however, we have a different sort of troll, one who's baiting
the anti-Vista trolls.



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read my post above yours...No .. vista is not magic...

read my post above yours...

No .. vista is not magic...

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Extremely well said, Bruce.

Chris S.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:27:44 -0400, "Charlie" <Charlie@nowhere.com>


That's a fair, unbiased observation.


It is long established fact that those not having problems rarely
comment in newsgroups or forums just like people don't visit their
doctor just to stop by and say Hi Doc, I'm feeling fine, thought you
would like to know. It is also established for every poster
complaining that works out to roughly 100 others having the same or
similar problem that don't bother to report it. This newsgroup is a
lot of things, but to attempt to use it as a yardstick for how people
feel about Vista or their experience with it is foolish. Most people
using Vista never heard of this newsgroup or other newsgroups for that
matter.

Today's computer and it's hardware and software combination can have
almost infinite variations. Accordingly some, especially those that
hardly use their computer or never get beyond simple tasks like
reading email, surfing the web or doing some trivial tasks like typing
something in a word processor or entering a few figures in a
spreadsheet are hardly qualified to rank a operating system or any
particular system configuration because for starters they don't know
what to look for to know if it is as good as it should be. The often
repeated slow file transfer issue, a KNOWN bug Microsoft admits to is
a classic example. Some people may wonder why it takes so long to copy
move files, but not having anything else to compare it to just blow it
off as normal behavior while someone more experienced KNOWS Vista
sucks at file copying/moving. Not on everyone's system, but enough of
a problem Microsoft rushed out a hotfix back in May and surely will
improve on it further in SP1.

The point is you wouldn't ask your 80 year old grandma to go to the
Indy 500 race track and jump in one of those high powered race cars
and then report back how well it performs after she made a single
circuit of the track at 30 MPH would you? No? Then why or why do
people listen to clueless fanboys who pretend to be experts on Vista
when in fact most are at best casual users?

Hold on. Such reviews are VERY biased. Just one person ranting about a
problem can distort the results if there aren't many reviews and it
could be due to something really dumb they did. The flip side is
people using their computer a couple hours a week tops and raving how
great it is are hardly experts and lack the technical knowledge to
make any informed opinions. Read my grandma analogy again.


OK, looking at your survey nearly 1 out 5 rank Vista as poor to very
poor. That's hardly a ringing endorsement for a mature product (which
Windows is) it has been around for 21 years in one form or another.
Accordingly Microsoft should have learned from it's past mistakes and
redoubled their efforts to ship a product more free of bugs. They
haven't. That's a knock fanboys can't deny or shake.

Microsoft ALWAYS releases the latest version of Windows far behind
schedule, removes a lot of features there were promised in early press
releases and may have even been in early beta releases and then admits
they shipped a version to customers they knew had issues.

I have a simple question. Why should Microsoft's customers accept
should poor performance? Microsoft being the biggest software
developer in the world we should expect more, not less. Especially in
quality control. It is exactly because of idiots like Frank that
tirelessly wave the Microsoft flag and pretend how great their junk is
that Microsoft sees that good enough is good enough and never really
try harder since they see customers accepting pretty good as good
enough. I keep asking why?

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

says...

That's how Usenet has always worked - complainers post and few people
without a problem post.

If you have a fast computer, core 2 duo and a fast video card then Vista
will perform well - just don't expect the same level of performance as
you had under XP on the SAME hardware.

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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

however, we have a different sort of troll, one who's baiting

Bruce, never seen it written better. I am guilty on a few occasions of
just that.

I hereby swear to never feed another troll, and if I do something stupid
I hope nobody feeds me! Now let's all swear...
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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Why is that? Canonical will ship Ubuntu for free.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Thank you.


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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Thank you.



Me too, on occasion.  It's just so hard to resist the temptation,
sometimes.  ;-}




Well, I promise I'll try to do better.  How's that?


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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:04:09 -0600, Bruce Chambers


So you admit you're just some jackass that can't control his temper
and acts on impulses. Well duh... thanks for sharing that.

I NEVER saw a bigger bunch of prima donnas and crybaby types then
those that hang out in this silly newsgroup.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Where does the 'let me slap somebody on the back' line begin?

Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

In article <k880g3ta5ltnckr8l5j486hocuv0bthal8@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
says...
[snip]

You should have stated that YOU ARE delusional Adam, you never have
anything constructive to say and are the most rude poster I've read in
years.


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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Ah, Daffy, I see.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Well, Micros~1 has sold about 55,000,000 copies of Vista. All 167 people
who've had an insoluble problem have posted here.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

We call them MSanthropes. They are a sub-set of folks who complain to give
their miserable lives meaning. By joining some anti-somthing (logging,
whalers, nuclear power, bras, bottle-feeding, meat-eating, Iraq war, Bush,
automobiles, religion, capitalism, Walmart, the "N-word", schoolyard tag,
death penalty, artificial coloring, Rumsfeld, etc.) they can take their mind
off their own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.

Tragic, really, all that wasted effort. But, that's life.

The best thing to do is lie back and think of England.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

much anymore. K-Man doesn't care. It would attack anyone about anything
and would not discriminate. Albright is just discriminatory not only
with MS but with Human Beings too.>

justification on how he treats people. But he kisses the behind of
people who are acting in the same way he is acting on the bashing. He is
in many ways a hypocrite based on his so called claim of people
attacking posters in the NG when he is attaching people as well. He is
totally ridiculous.>

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Duh... I have a fast computer that is dual core and a fast video card
with my overall Vista performance rating is 5.7 and since I just built
the computer from the ground up last February with all new so-called
latest version of BIOS according to you I shouldn't have any problems.

So much for your theory pal. Want to tackle the big bang theory next
Mr. Computer Genius?

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

No, Micros~1 hasn't sold that many copies. They've sold licenses (so they
say) for that many copies. But, that could mean that manufacturers are
still sitting on many of them and in fact, will continue to do so, as
end-users request XP instead. Many others have gotten computers with Vista
installed and that counts as a "sale". But they've either overwritten that
pathetic bloated p.o.s. with XP or gone on to a real operating system like
Ubuntu.

Cheers.

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Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

You do not get out much do you.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

Only if they forget to lock the cell door...

Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

In article <p7q0g350ei4m9j77aigu3ropmdrkr6t4lt@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
says...

Based on your lack of ability to respond in a polite manner to most
people, your lack of technical skills, your being filled with scorn and
hate for anyone that exposes your ignorance, it would appear that you
are the one that doesn't get out much, not at all from what I've seen.

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Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

You took the time and went to the expense of building such a powerful
computer yet you did an in place upgrade install of Vista
business?..hahaha...you're an idiot and you keep proving it.
Frank

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Hey doris...I head them calling for you over at the open sores ng. RS is
about to give his daily blessing and it's your turn to kiss his holy arse.
Hurry, you won't want to miss your turn!
Frank

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

OK who is pretending to be Adam?

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Hi Adam.. still haven't worked out that its you that's the problem?
You aren't going to solve your problem by shouting about everyone else being
wrong and dumber than you.
We all know you are crazy.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista?

Wow Frank, that's the 179th time you repeated the same lie. If you do
it just 21 more times you win a set of steak knives. Of course since
we all know you to be raving lunatic they're be just plastic blades,
so it reduced the chances of your hurting yourself or somebody else.

Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

In article <2s12g31tk7of47b3bvsmkn2o4j5ah9886g@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net
says...

It works by proximity - that's why it's blinking when you're around it.

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Just how bad (or good) is Vista? Adam Albright is not that bright

If he does get out there will be a country wide manhunt.