Windows 7 - Linux developers MUST consolidate and release a "master" distro for the general computer/device market.

Asked By ultimau
07-Oct-07 02:54 PM
Maybe there is still hope yet, but it requires the developers to get
together, set aside their egos, and all work on a single master
distro. If they did that, Linux would beat the pants off of Vista and
OSX guaranteed, and perhaps chart the course for the whole computer
(and computer-device) industry away from the lockdown-drm-crippled
dreck that it's been floating in for a while now.
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  Oxford replied...
07-Oct-07 03:16 PM
yes, and I've told them SEVERAL times they need to concentrate on just
one or two distros and let the others die off. they just can't compete
until they take this advice.

chances are now zero that they can't rally around and heed this advice.
they are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games or
hacking.

linux had a chance during the late 90's but blew it. now OSX is the main
UNIX distro by a 7 to 1 margin... all because Apple knew about design
and understood high quality computing.

linux is a total mess now, and it's very sad. I thought at least they
would have 1% of the market, but it still hovers around .76 percent. Not
good when Apple has jumped to 6.4% in recent months.

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  chrisv replied...
07-Oct-07 03:32 PM
Not for you.  You're doomed to be stupid forever.

*plonk*
  Stephan Rose replied...
07-Oct-07 03:45 PM
I find it funny how everyone takes the statistic of one irrelevant web-
server of any actual value.

That said, what do you think is happening? The efforts *are* consolidated.

All distributions use the same kernel.
The same desktop managers.
The same browers.
The same software.
The same e-mail software.
The same newsreaders.
The same everything.

The only main significant difference between any distributions is what
they come with out of the box. That's largely irrelevant.

So how is this not consolidated?

So redhat has different package management than ubuntu does. Big friggin
deal....they still use the same software and kernel.

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  Christopher R. Lee replied...
07-Oct-07 03:50 PM
[snips]>>

I don't agree entirely. Multiple distros means some degree of competition,
with no risk of another monopoly. There must be room for diversity.

The challenge is to keep this diversity without penalising people who just
want to use their computers (and who don't want/need to know how complicated
it is).

A constant  feature of the history of personal computers is that the most
popular hardware and software architectures would never have become dominant
if technical excellence had been a even a minor criterion. This is perfectly
illustrated by posts to this NG, where Ubuntu is equated with Linux, simply
because it's proposed as the least worst alternative to Vista by a
particular hardware supplier (whose days are numbered if they don't start
treating their clients like real live people).

One approach to maintaining multiple Linux distros may be to arrange things
so volunteers could help provide distro-specific compilations on request.
Some kind of organisation would be needed so that software developers are
paid for their work.

Regards
  ultimau replied...
07-Oct-07 03:59 PM
chrisv wrote:
AWWWW Did I upset the little shillbot?
  Rick replied...
07-Oct-07 05:10 PM
Your are missing the idea that the reason there are so many distros is
that many people want different things. You are missing the point that
many of the things added to or improved in one distro can be directly
added to another.



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  chrisv replied...
07-Oct-07 05:14 PM

         
  Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= replied...
07-Oct-07 05:19 PM
It is either flatfish or the "linux-sux" cretin
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  Rick replied...
07-Oct-07 05:19 PM
And you have been told several times you are a cluesless twit. Who are
you to say someone can't but together a distro to satisfy a want or need
that isn't being met?

And you told ... THEM? Who? Did you think to go tell Shuttleworth to kill
off Ubuntu? No? Did you write Novell or Red Hat to tell them to kill
their distros? Did you email texstar to tell him to dump PCLinuxOS? Have
you noticed PCLOS is becoming one of the more popular distros, without
heavy advertising? Using your "system", I probably wouldn't be able to
use the distro and environment I have chosen.


I highly doubt the developers at Sun, IBM, Novell, Red Hat (to name a
very few) are mostly young kids with no skills outside of playing games
or hacking.


No, you are sad.


So Apple's at 6.4% now. What was their share in 1978. Let us know when it
gets back there.


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  Rex Ballard replied...
07-Oct-07 05:36 PM
Not necessarily.  Remember, Linux competes with a company who blocks
all access to the retail display space.  A Linux customer must
purchase and install Linux without the benefit of an OEM preinstalled
system.

The OEM is not allowed to tell the customer exactly which machines can
easily be configured to run Linux, and which machines should NEVER be
used to run Linux.  The customers usually figure this out for
themselves, but the OEM can't put this in advertizing or catalog
descriptions without getting Microsoft's prior written approval, which
never seems to come in time for the ad deadlines.  The OEM just has to
keep falling back to a "safe" ad that has been approved.  Often, both
ads are submitted the same day, but Microsoft seems to delay the Linux
ad past the known deadlines.

Most contracts I deal with, if the approver doesn't provide written
approval or revisions within 7 days, it is treated as an automatic
approval, but it seems that Microsoft must only respond within "a
reasonable time" - not sure what that means - maybe some time within
the decade?

The OEM can't make changes to the configuration without Microsoft's
prior written approval either.  Again, if two versions are submitted,
the Microsoft-only version gets approved within a day, the one
involving competitors will be revised - perhaps within a year AFTER
the product release date.
That whole "reasonable time" thing again.


I wouldn't say that.  There are billions of Linux licensed devices,
and almost 1 billion internet users access Linux systems such as
Google every day.  They send their e-mail through Linux routers, they
protect their LAN with Linux firewalls, go to a coffee shop or
restaurant and connect via a Linux powered WiFi hub.  The PC may be
purchased with Windows, but it may be running Linux as a VMWare
appliance, as a Virtual PC client, or it may be Linux working as the
primary operating system and Windows that is running as the
Virtualized Client.  Running Windows as the VM client makes back-up,
recovery, and system management much easier, and the extra clock-
cycles burned in virtualization calls are offset by better
optimization of disk access and memory management.


Funny, that's not what IBM, Dell, and HP are saying.  Most of the OEMs
like the idea of 2-3 competitors competing for access to the
preinstalled desktop.  If they could have their way, all of them would
allow all of their distributions to be installed and started as either
the primary OS using a boot manager, or as a virtualized client.  Most
like both Red Hat and SUSE for the server market, and many also like
Ubuntu for the client market.  Others, including Linspire, Xandros,
and PCLinux are also willing to give very generous terms.

Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to be unable to approve any
configuration which involves any configuration of any product other
than the Microsoft standard Package.  Furthermore, if the OEM makes
such requests, it often takes a while for the drivers for other
systems to be approved.

It seems that Microsoft has all the lawyers it needs for it's "Loyal
Customers", but there seems to be a single lawyer who speaks very
little English, as a 3rd language, who can't approve anything for
months, or even a year or two.

It seems that Microsoft must respond within a "reasonable time".  Most
contracts I deal with, a specific time such as 5 business days is used
instead.  If a response is not provided within that time period, it is
automatically approved.

Rex Ballard
http://www.open4success.com
  HeyBub replied...
07-Oct-07 06:12 PM
I certainly see your point. But, if you do not like Microsoft's terms, do not
agree to them. Kick MS out the door. Do the right thing.
  OK replied...
07-Oct-07 07:07 PM
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:45:12 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>


When does it become rlevant then? 10 servers, 100? 1'000?
What about 40'000?

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

0.8% after 15 years of free availability? Linux will never make it.
Face it.

Meanwhile:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5&qpcustom=Windows+Vista
  Tim Smith replied...
07-Oct-07 07:16 PM
In article <1191792966.660220.310560@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

Nice fantasy.  Exactly what mechanism prevents you from leasing space,
and opening a store there selling Linux computers?  (Just like Apple
does to sell Macintosh computers).

Answer: absolutely nothing.

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  Stephan Rose replied...
07-Oct-07 07:25 PM
+Vista

Because *who the hell* is hitslink.com!?

Their statistics don't represent the entire web.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to google.com.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to yahoo.com.

Their statistics don't represent users that go to microsoft.com.

I could go on...

Their statistics ONLY represent users that go to THEIR servers. So what
servers, of what significance, do THEY host and what content? Different
content attracts different users which also influences statistics.

What significance does one single server companies' statistic that likely
doesn't even capture 1% of all users have to do on a world-wide scale?

Ultimately their statistics are utterly meaningless.

About the only statistic I would give any credit to would be Google.com's
statistic just simply because it is a neutral site that isn't going to
favor linux, microsoft or mac users. And it is a site that virtually
everyone uses.

Google.com however does not show their statistics. Smart move.

And, if you still don't get it....here is an example;

marketshare.hitslink.com claims 0.8%

www.w3schools.com claims 3.4%

So who is right now? Is it 0.8%? Is it 3.4%?

If you don't answer that question with "Neither one" then you probably
don't nor ever will get it.

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  DevilsPGD replied...
07-Oct-07 07:39 PM
Lack of funds.  Lack of venture capitalists that will not look into what
he is doing and realize he will not make any money?

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  Hadron replied...
07-Oct-07 08:11 PM
DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> writes:


How can he make any money? Linux users don't pay for the OS and
certainly wont pay the hourly rate required for a computer professional
to install their custom kernels.

The only way would be disk cloning and a good "Lets get started" FAQ on
how to use Synaptic and the like.

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  TheLetterK replied...
07-Oct-07 09:14 PM
So, who's good ideas are we prepared to give up? Could we live with the
loss of developers and interest? Where will new ideas get tested and
promoted? What's the advantage? I'm not having compatibility problems.
Are you?
  denni replied...
08-Oct-07 04:09 AM
They don't have to do it and it applies to many things not just windows.
If you have 9,999 employes it is frequently cheaper to buy everything in
units of 10,000, be it paper clips, name badges or PCs.
Why its wrong for M$ and not wrong for Staples or the vending machine
supplier to be cheaper if they buy 10,000? I don't understand the
difference.
Its the companies decision, they can buy 9,999 and pay more if they want.
At least with software licenses its not harming the environment like it
would be buying an extra name badge.

BTW the big company I worked at had licenses for each windows PC not for
each employee so it must have been cheaper that way.
They did not have windows licenses for the PCs running UnixWare and M$
didn't try and force them to get them either.
Oh and they were supplied with Unix installed by the manufacturer (they were
made by Intel and would have been branded HP) so it is quite possible to get
machines without windows, at least in the UK.
  Stephan Rose replied...
08-Oct-07 04:27 AM
Uhh, people who actually run custom kernels aren't likely going to need a
professional to install it for them. I think that if someone needs a
custom kernel and knows why they need one they also likely know enough to
install it themselves.

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  Jim Richardson replied...
08-Oct-07 05:18 AM
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Are you excluding yourself from the ranks of "Linux users"


when was the last time you paid "the hourly rate required for a computer
professional" to install your "custom kernels"?

Or were you just blowing hot air?

again?

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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 06:56 AM
He's blustering... again.




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  spike replied...
08-Oct-07 02:02 AM
Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> did eloquently scribble:

I have no idea how you can claim to be a linux advocate and yet you still
come out with crap like this.

How is this FUD advocating linux? Name one home user who needs a custom
kernel? AVERAGE mind, no specialist computing needs where they have the
knowledge and wherewithall to do it themselves.

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  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 03:32 PM
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:54:16 -0700, ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote
(in article <1191783256.814194.298860@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>):


I doubt if it would "beat the pants off" of either OSX or Vista. Even though
Linux is better than Windows "anything" MS is too entrenched in the computer
world, and OSX is simply too sophisticated to be displaced by an OS like
Linux.

But what a single distro would do would be to stimulate acceptance in the
pre-compiled versions of their software for that one distro for one platform
(PC compatible) that would be relatively safe. Not wanting to open their
source-code to prying eyes is, IMHO, the single biggest reason why companies
like Adobe et al don't port their software to Linux is because of the need
for that software to be compiled by the user due to the non-standard
configurations of various distributions of Linux on a myriad of
platforms/processors.

Once this happened, the MS hegemony would truly start to fall apart as there
would be fewer and fewer reasons not to replace Windows with Linux.
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 04:01 PM
good post George!

i really don't think anyone is "against" Linux, its just their own
internal "perceived strength" is really their "greatest weakness" when
they come up against very well organized, funded UNIX distros like OSX.

they need to learn to focus on 1 or 2 distros, then let the others die
off, this diluted effort has killed Linux so far, but it doesn't have to
be.

Later this month they are going to get hit with another massive round of
a better UNIX that is incredibly "organized". I feel sorry for them in a
way, but if they can't match this, they can't compete:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/

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  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 04:26 PM
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:45:12 -0700, Stephan Rose wrote
(in article <n9adnYZAK7jVqpTanZ2dneKdnZzinZ2d@giganews.com>):


Could a company like, for instance, Adobe, release a single shrink-wrapped
fully compiled version of its applications marked "For Linux" and have it
install as easily on ALL modern Linux distributions as it now does on PCs or
Macs? If so, then you're right. But that begs another question. If all the
distros are that alike, why haven't any of the major software publishers
released any of their applications on Linux?.
  spike replied...
08-Oct-07 04:41 PM
George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:

Seems to work fine for google earth and opera.


Oracle is not a major software publisher now?
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  Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= replied...
08-Oct-07 04:51 PM
Yes, provided the distros are for the same processor family
The libc and other supporting stuff are basically at the same level on
modern distros


Because they have to port first?
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  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 05:03 PM
from my understanding Linux simply doesn't have a modern enough
foundation to support high level apps like PhotoShop, InDesign, etc.

they'd have to do a lot of software kludges to make a Linux versions
work correctly and since the Linux market is so tiny compared to the Mac
one in the creative fields they simply can't afford do it.

Same for all other professional level apps, like Office, iLife, AutoCad,
etc. Their approach is too fractured and hard to support is the other
issue. Wish it was different, but unless they "focus", they will never
be a serious contender.
  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 05:02 PM
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:01:04 -0700, Oxford wrote
(in article


Well, platform gnostics are like any other true believers. They are blind to
their platform weaknesses and indeed assert that what others see as
weaknesses They see as strengths. I.E, "Sure, Linux doesn't have Photoshop
but we lave The GIMP and it's free while Photoshop costs six hundred bucks."
We've all done it, and the point is not to denigrate Linux or its
enthusiasts, but to show them that as true believers, they simply can't see
their platform as enthusiasts of other platforms see it. It's like an
Orthodox Jew waltzing into a Southern Baptist church and spouting off about
the weaknesses he sees in the Baptist faith. The people in the church are
simply not going to be very receptive to his comments.
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 05:05 PM
java based apps and a few open source apps are fine. but when you get
into "professional" level code, Linux doesn't work without a LOT of
extra fine tuning.


Oracle works on anything, linux is nothing special there.
  yakety yak replied...
08-Oct-07 05:31 PM
OTOH, I do not have to wonder how long before Apple starts bricking
computers, too. :)
  Kier replied...
08-Oct-07 05:58 PM
Good luck with getting that to happen, moron.


Yawn. Never learn, do you, Oxford>

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  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 06:07 PM
yes, and while agree for the most part... linux users forget they are
mainly isolated to the poorer sections of northwest europe. and never
have been able to spread beyond that region. nobody in the states uses
linux, nobody in japan, canada, etc.

photoshop is technically free, you just need to learn where to look. so
the idea of gimp replacing it is just mythical thinking.

i've learned to have no bias regarding platforms, i just search for the
best and be done with it. i think if linux users will do the same
they'll switch on over to OSX since there really isn't a better OS at
this time.

it's not about "faith" it's about being practical and currently OSX owns
the unix market.
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 06:09 PM
they'd first have to start bricking anything. so far they have not
bricked any of their products in 31 years.

sounds like you are reading false reports designed by Nokia to trick the
uneducated.
  The Ghost In The Machine replied...
08-Oct-07 06:07 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Oxford
wrote
on Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:03:10 -0600

Does Windows?  Windows has Photoshop, InDesign, etc.
I'd like to know what "modern" means in this context,
specifically what is in the foundation of a "modern OS".
For example, one of the selling points of the old Mac
OS was its Resource Fork; the general idea was to use a
hierarchical typed container system, which could contain
code, pictures, audio, and stylized text.  Windows also
has a Resource Fork, though it's not nearly as widely used
in its software; Windows tends to like to put things in
its Registry, instead.

And of course most operating systems have a Graphical User
Interface; Windows in particular has Win32 and Mac OSX has
something which I can't properly identify, apart from the
fact that the X Window System (X11) is part of its makeup.
(Mac OS had Quickdraw, but I'm not sure what layer that
was -- API or drivers?)

For its part Linux has none of a Resource Fork, a Registry,
nor a GUI [+].  Clearly, this makes Linux ancient in
design and philosophy -- except that Unix, which is more
or less Linux's precursor, was object-oriented before the
concept even *existed*, though later revs took out some of
the objectuivity (if that's a word) by disallowing open()
on a directory, for example.  However, one can still open()
a symbolic link (which results, as it turns out, in opening
the file to which the link points).  AFAIK, Mac OS did not
have this concept (not sure it really needed it, but it
does come in handy), and fortunately Mac OSX inherited it
from its Mach/Unix kernel.  The Amiga, before it died, had
a concept very akin to a Unix "hard link", a concept rarely
used (though still available) in Unix or Linux today.  [*]
Windows has a very befuddled implementation of shortcuts.

And of course X11 carefully implemented client versus
server communications, which effectively made abstract
tokens out of pretty much everything except an XImage,
which was a client-local datastructure.  Windows tried;
it has things such as a "device-independent bitmap",
or DIB, but that was somewhat later on, if memory serves.


Or test it.  It is a problem; until we mimic the entire
functionality list of both Windows and Mac OS/Mac OSX, we
probably won't be able to get good high-quality software
on Linux.

(Spot the flaw.)


And what, precisely, should Linux (or a Linux distro, more
properly) focus on?

[+] the GUI in most distros is implemented using a mixture
of Linux for the very base support such as framebuffers
and KGI, the X server, and user-level libraries such
as Qt and Gtk.  Utility programs are also available,
which gives one KDE and Gnome -- the entire enchilada,
as it were.

[*] in a soft link, an entry points to another entry by
name; that entry can easily be changed.  In a hard
link, an entry points to an *object* (identified by
inode), and once made, a hardlink is indistinguishable
from any other reference to that object.  In effect,
one has two or more entries for the same object
-- a fact reflected in the link count of the
stat()/lstat()/fstat() call.  (Since directories all
contain '.' and '..', the link count for a directory
can be any number greater than or equal to 2, and
depends on the number of directories immediately below.)

In other words:

(create file a)
ln a b
rm a

is indistinguishable from

(create file b)

as far as other tools are concerned, after this
sequence of instructions is done.  In a symlink
(ln -s a b above) deleting a would result in a
broken symlink; it is still possible to do a create
through that symlink under certain conditions, but
it points to no object prior to that creation.

For its part the Amiga implementation was asymmetrical,
unlike the Unix one, which presumably led to some
interesting quirks.  Part of that asymmetry was because
the Amiga did not have inodes as such, and therefore
could not implement the symmetric variant.

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  Kier replied...
08-Oct-07 06:29 PM
Where do you get *that* incredibly dumb idea? You must have pulled it out
of your arse.


'Technically free' - in other words, you recommend that people steal it.
We Linux users have no need to be thieves.


Bullshit. You're incredibly biased against Linux.


Bullshit.

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  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 06:44 PM
so you are you talking to yourself, or admitting I'm correct with that
comment?

kier, you know I want the best for the linux movement, but I've clearly
seen that it has stalled, so just trying to help you and other linux
users see the clear light.


Ah, OSX is now 7 times larger than Linux's installed base, so that means
I've learned quite a bit, while you have been sent back to school to
learn more.

The biggest event in the history of UNIX is about to happen, where will
you be when it does?

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=10951
  spike replied...
08-Oct-07 06:34 PM
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> did eloquently scribble:



Bullshit.


Bullshit


Bullshit

I wonder when oxford will begin to talk about something he has knowledge
of...  Obviously, in this newsgroup, the answer is "Never"
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  (PeteCresswell) replied...
08-Oct-07 07:08 PM
Per Oxford:

Few years back when I was doing contract work for a major mutual
fund at least one of the officer-level people I worked with used
Linux as their desktop of choice at work.
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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 07:27 PM
Who is they Oxford?

(snip)





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  The Ghost In The Machine replied...
08-Oct-07 07:02 PM
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Oxford
wrote
on Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:07:14 -0600

Sure it does.  That's why so many Apple OSX servers are
running amuck serving webpages.

The Unix *desktop* market, maybe...and that's only if one
discounts the Linux variants.

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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 07:29 PM
IMO you do not know what you are talking about. What makes you think the
software would HAVE to be recompiled for each distro?






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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 07:32 PM
You're a bigot and a liar.


The City Of Largo, Fl uses Linux in a BIG way. Why do you think they
chose Linux and not OS X?


Photoshop is in no way free. Your saying so just shows how much of a
thief you are.



Most Linux users HAVE searched for what works for them, and that's why
they use Linux and OSS.



No, it doesn't.


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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 07:34 PM
yuppp .. according to Oxford, if an app works on Linux, it does not mean
anything.

You are SUCH a dishonest bigot.



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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 07:35 PM
Sounds like you are a little fanboi in denial.



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  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 07:39 PM
More like a networking company.
  Nick Simpson replied...
08-Oct-07 07:51 PM
I will second that.

Nick
  yakety yak replied...
08-Oct-07 07:53 PM
All those new iBrick owners would disagree.


No, Oxtard does have a point. If you just do Apple's bidding then you
have nothing to fear.
  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 07:56 PM
(in article


Try to convince the "true believers" of that point.
  George Graves replied...
08-Oct-07 08:00 PM
Then why is most open source software distributed that way?
  Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= replied...
08-Oct-07 08:09 PM
He certainly does not. Another clueless Mac user


Because it is prepared for the package manager of that distro
That does not mean that you can't take another package. In that case
you /may/ lose some advantages of the package management

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simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog,
we can assume it will be pretty bad.    --- Dave Barry
  TheLetterK replied...
08-Oct-07 09:42 PM
It's packaged for a particular distro, but that's because there are
several competing package managers out there. In many cases, you can use
packages from other distributions just fine, though sometimes that can
cause problems. There are also utilities out there that will convert
binary packages from one format to another. Alien is an example of that,
which lets dpkg users install binary rpm packages for their architecture.

This is not really that big of a deal in practice, because all of the
major distros have very robust package repositories these days. I don't
generally need to download packages from the developer's site, unless
I'm wanting bleeding edge packages. Why, then, would I care what they're
releasing?
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 09:57 PM
why so angry Jesus?

I thought you loved everyone?

it is sad that even you have turned on the human race.
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 09:59 PM
you did no such thing. name the company and I will confirm.
  Oxford replied...
08-Oct-07 10:02 PM
In article <pan.2007.10.08.23.52.59.723036@nospam.diespammers.invalid>,


do you have any names of these people? nope!

you got caught in a media lie.

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  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 10:12 PM
Right? You?

AHAh HAh HAHh AHha HAHh ahHA hAha hA


We've seen the light. That's why we use Linux.


No, you haven't learned.


You might want to tell that to the guys that wrote unix.







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Rick
  Rick replied...
08-Oct-07 10:14 PM
(snip)





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  leonard.kai.schoenit replied...
08-Oct-07 10:21 PM
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Linux does not want world domination. Linux means diversity. There is need
for Distributions, and, by the way, Distributions aren't very important for
the functionality of Linux. They aren't very different to each others,
since they only use some more or some less programs and have a modified
structure of config files.
  leonard.kai.schoenit replied...
08-Oct-07 10:37 PM
Linux does suffer from people who think, Linux should rule the OS market.
Linux is a good system for geeks. And that is schweet.
  yakety yak replied...
08-Oct-07 11:21 PM
DRM?
  yakety yak replied...
09-Oct-07 12:01 AM
Try asking these guys:

https://www.appleiphonelawsuit.com/Home_Page.html


You could be right. Maybe the bricking was not intentional and Apple is
merely incompetent.
  Oxford replied...
09-Oct-07 12:12 AM
no names, so still waiting for you to come up with some.

you pointed to lawyers site, not an angry iphone user(s). might want to
double check your links next time.


Apple isn't going to test against 3rd party "hacks", why would they?

They clearly said things could break, and some did. Apple has no
culpability here.

You're just another angry person that doesn't have an iPhone.
  yakety yak replied...
09-Oct-07 01:16 AM
Oh, I didn't figure you were smart enough to read it. That's OK, I'm
happy enough to give everyone else a good laugh at your expense.


FreeBSD can run tens of thousands of third-party applications without
bricking the machine; Linux can run tens of thousands of third-party
applications without bricking the machine; hell, even Microsoft can build
an OS that can run tens of thousands of third-party applications without
bricking the machine. So why should I believe that Apple can't do it, too?


A company can't escape liability for a shoddy design by claiming the
product wasn't meant to be used in some way that it should reasonably
have known consumers would use it.


Got piles of bricks laying around the yard, one more wouldn't make much
difference.
  Rick replied...
10-Oct-07 07:05 PM
They are nlt cheap or broke, although they DID want to save money. They
originally bought their workstations on eBay, but have since replaced
them withmore expensive machines


It is in Pinealls County, Florida, due west of Tamp. It is a metropolitan
area with a fairly large population.


It is in many places.


It is in many places.

Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments>





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Rick
  Kier replied...
20-Oct-07 01:43 AM
Where is your evidence for such a preposterous claim? And, no, I do not mean
your made-up speculations. Let's have hard facts for once.

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