Windows 7 - linux might be better for you

Asked By arkar

14-Oct-07 09:03 PM

i have been a windows user for many years until one day i found out about
linux. many people when thay hear the word "linux" are terrified and tell me
that it is very very dificult.
this is wrong.

linux over windows.
1) its free
2)its faster
3) its much more secure
4)has more bugfixes(people actualy work on open source)
5)many many applications
6) much of the hardware work out of the box
7)you can try it without loosing any data using live cds
8) linux has become very very easy to use and with no command line
9) can easyly dual boot with windows
10)most off all the ability to choose what you want
11) did you know that microsoft has secret codes on its windows software so
that you are spyed on via the NSA?(national security agency)
12)no DRM(digital rights management)
and many other things for you to discover.
13)fully customizable to your needs

windows over linux.
1)widely accepted
2)more apps
3)easyer than linux(while linux is not so hard)
4)more hardware support

you can give linux a try. i dont say that is will work for you 100% but the
chances are good
some popular linux distributions with a large comunity are

ubuntu: www.ubuntu.com
pclinuxos: www.pclinuxos.com
you can find more distributions on www.distrowatch.com

most linux distributions have live cds.
you can download the iso image of the cd and then burn it on a cd or dvd
then boot from it (sometimes you must configure your bios in order to boot
first from cd drive)

DISCLAIMER:THIS POST IS NOT OVEREVANGELIZING LINUX BUT JUST POINTS OUT THAT
IT IS A VIABLE SOLUTION TO WINDOWS. THERE CAN ALWAYS BE DIFICULTIES WHEN
CHANGING AN OPERATING SYSTEM. EVERY USER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN SYSTEM
AND DATA. AND BEFORE ANY ACTION DATA MUST BE BACKED UP.

REMEMBER PEOPLE IT'S ALL ABOUT CHOICE AND MICROSOFT DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY

14-Oct-07 09:34 PM

They should rename this forum: "linux.public.windows.vista.haters"

14-Oct-07 09:47 PM

People who advocate Open Sores Linux are truly miserable with their choice.
It's obvious that they adhere to the old adage that "misery loves company".
Every single arguement that offer to Windows users is blantently false and
misleading.
If you'll notice, there are over five (5) times the number of poor linux
users looking for help in the linux newsgroups vs. the relativity low number
of Windows users who post to this newsgroup.  Linux is for losers!

--
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Windows - Shell/User
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14-Oct-07 09:52 PM

Does it make you think why it is not the most popular operating system? You even
scream a disclaimer to cover yourself, just to clean up the last line of your
screaming disclaimer, people do have a choice, Linux is not chosen. It is
understandable arkara, the successful are always blamed for the short comings of
those whom always complain about something.

Why do Linux advocates hang out in a Windows news group? If Linux was a success,
we would not see them here, because then we would have an obvious choice, or
alternative. Vista may not be successful like that of Windows XP, but Windows 7
will be, and Linux will remain where it is, unless Apple decides to place them on
the dump pile too. We could go on and talk about Linux, but who is interested in
fractional percentages?

- Twisted Vista.

14-Oct-07 10:14 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say Linux is for losers, but it isn't for someone
who isn't very technically savvy. Easy tasks like installing an application
on Vista are much harder on any Linux distro. You have to worry about
dependencies, libraries, etc... Plus hardware support with Linux is hit and
miss. Maybe your graphics/sound/network card is supported, maybe not. If
not, you have to try and track it down on the Internet, if it exists.

I've tried a couple of Linux distros over the years and each time concluded
that Linux isn't worth bashing my head against a brick wall. I'll stick with
Vista.

14-Oct-07 10:17 PM

I resent the implication that unbiased comments I may have made are
lies, and coming from a know nothing worthless twit like you your
comments deserve little more then pure contempt.

14-Oct-07 10:23 PM

How many years ago was that exactly?

14-Oct-07 10:21 PM

Every time Carey opens his mouth, even other MVPs admit it's hard to
tell if he is actually saying something or just farting because of his
advanced case of cranial-rectal inversion:
http://www.microscum.com/carey/

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- Maura Corbett

14-Oct-07 10:25 PM

I use Fedora and I find it much easier.  In windows I have to worry more
about dependencies sometimes, but in Fedora, I do not need to worry
about dependencies because the package manager takes care of it for me.
Methinks thou doth overgeneralize here.



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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.  Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

14-Oct-07 10:38 PM

You might want to reconsider your opinions. The app installation process
is point and click if using repositories, and dependencies, libraries,
etc. are not an issue. Hardware support is mostly hit, not miss. It
probably isn't much worse (if at all worse) than some of the hardware
issues that now face vista users.
And sticking with vista is fine, but just because you bashed your head
against a brick wall does not mean that is not a viable choice for
others. BTW, what won during the bashing episode? Your head? Or the
brick wall? ;)


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norm

14-Oct-07 10:41 PM

Since about 2004. I have tried a couple of times. Fedora Core, SuSE. I last
tried SLED 10 about 2 months ago. No, it was not a shot at Linux in 1998 and
nothing since.

14-Oct-07 10:45 PM

Here, read the comments under this ad idiot...

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/webelements01/detail/B000KCIA3W

No mention of other OS, just dissatisfaction with Vista and there are
plenty more comments like it but you probably daren't look.

MS needs to respond to these criticisms in a rational and thoughtful
manner, not as you do, berate the user and then demonstrate your vast
lack of technical expertise on any subject in particular.

You are already the lowest form of life to be found hanging around here,
but go ahead, make my day, I will be delighted to belittle you even
further and it won;t take much effort because as always you will do most
of the work yourself.

14-Oct-07 11:30 PM

I was genuinely curious because I've found in the last couple of years
the leaps forward in "Friendly" have been quite surprising, whilst at
Redmond we seem to have gone for the hostility factor :)

Most of the live CD versions, although they take a while to load being
CD based, work remarkably well on a lot of hardware, including going
online. I actually like Vista although the "Novelty" color scheme gets
very tiring for work, but it does have some real competition coming
round the corner. :)

15-Oct-07 12:13 AM

Correct, in one corner there is Windows XP, in the other corner is the coming of
Windows 7. Linux will need light year leaps and bounds to be considered a
competitor to Windows, it is still not even an alternative to Windows in the
market place. Linux does not seem to have the presence Windows has. You can even
go to a local department store and buy a Windows CD, there are billboards, TV
adds, radio commercials,... Say Ubuntu somewhere and people will say U Bum Who
Too....?

- Twista Vista

15-Oct-07 12:34 AM

You're desperate or what?
Frank

15-Oct-07 12:41 AM

I certainly am not arguing about the lack of publicity, but frankly the
experience with Vista and on top of that numerous encounters with
WGA/WPA calling you a thief and Microsoft installing back doors to
deliver stealth updates is not a good sign for the adoption of Windows
7. Many businesses will not adopt Vista due to it's hardware
requirements, my company might only have a few hundred machines but they
won't see Vista at all, it is not needed for the work required.

15-Oct-07 12:42 AM

nope he's just trying to find the best os there's is that is why i'm
shopping around for a free linux os(like that is hard to do, lol) that uses
32 bit drivers, actually found a couple, and i use them with virtualpc 2007
that way i get the very best os possible cuz windows just aint cuttin it.
especially with that microsft bs that they have a code so the nsa can spy on
you. i won't let them he he he

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Vista is satan's way to bring hell to earth.

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15-Oct-07 12:59 AM

ermm Microsoft Virtual PC ???

Now if there was ever an interesting place to put a back door :)

I couldn't care less about the NSA to be honest, the bigger problem from
an operational point of view is some stealth update that messes up a
process or some WGA/WPA malfunction that declares us illegal for a time.
MS have already admitted to both of those things in the same month, and
given the dependency of many companies on MS software they need to
address the problems / causes both rapidly and effectively, let's see
less of Ballmer dancing on the stage and more reliability please.

If you want easy Linux Ubuntu is maybe the answer, if you want solid
reliability Debian is good. Solaris is probably better if you can ever
get the F* thing to install on anything.

15-Oct-07 02:15 AM

Too funny... "You are under the spell of MS: Buy Vista Now."

Good gosh... not! Like putting your final "claims of truth" in ALL CAPS
makes it so. Uh, no?

How about this? "Remember people, it's all about choice: make your own."
What a concept.

Lang

15-Oct-07 03:29 AM

Too right Charlie, WPA, WGA, and especially DRM goes beyond the realm of
protecting intellect property, and is a pain in the butt. My main gripe with Linux
is it's marketing, MS is successful, too successful to the point where it's own
products are it's competition. I am not too sore about that, they took advantage
of the vacuum in the market. I have SuSE Linux, though I don't use it anymore,
then again I have Vista Ultimate, and I don't use it anymore, I do not know how
easily adaptable Ubuntu is, so as a consumer I will stick with familiarity,
Windows XP. Ubuntu Linux is not popular, there are far too many distro's which was
a point of pride for Linux but in my opinion it back fired. At one stage Linux was
spoken about and maybe used more that MacOS, but it is too confusing, what's a
distro? Which one should I have? There should only be one Linux, that has three
flavours to it, home, business-office and ultimate. I say that so when someone
says Linux, the consumer feels they know what is being spoken about, not get
confused with additional names like Red Hat, SuSE, Ubuntu, Storm, Debian,
Mandriva,...

I really like Windows, but as a consumer I would very much like to pay a lot less
for it, and there is only one way that can happen. That is MS has to be taken on
by an aggressive competitor in the desktop OS market, I think (as in my opinion)
ONE Linux would have much better hope at that. Linux needs to familiarise itself
to the consumer, not as an alternative, not as something better than Windows, but
as a Desktop Home-Entertainment Operating System I would **buy**, or get with my
next PC purchase. (Or office system for that matter).

- Twisted Vista


of
even

15-Oct-07 03:36 AM

Apple does not use Linux.
They use a kernel based on FreeBSD not the Linux kernel.
Don't let the Linux advocates fool you into thinking Apple use Linux, they
never have and probably never will.

15-Oct-07 03:38 AM

The code is not in the OS.. they can still watch you if you use Linux.
He he he.

15-Oct-07 03:40 AM

I use both, both have plusses and minuses.
I like XP better than any release of Linux that I have tried by a mile.
Unfortunately I just can't force myself to like Vista.
If forced to choose, right now I think I would opt for XP first, but Linux
over Vista.
The main reason being, if I don't like it anyway, it better be FREE!
But for most users, Linux isn't ready for the desktop.
On the network I run, Linux works just fine with the software package we use
for accounting and management.
Since you're not supposed to be doing Facebook, MySpace and all that
garbage, it is actually a better choice than Winmdows.
Since the users can't quite figure out how to USE SOME OF THE NON BUSINESS
FEATURES, THEY ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE ON THOSE MACHINES THAT i HAVE CONVERTED
FROM  ME and NT to Linux.
The XP machines I haven't converted, but if MS doesn't change things, they
will all go eventually.

15-Oct-07 03:48 AM

not unless i do a locked down on my pc, which disconnects me of the web by
closing all ports on the firewall. and beside if they want to see me
trashing the name microsoft then sure they can go ahead and spy ha ha ha ha
ha

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15-Oct-07 03:45 AM

may be the problem with stealth update are also using the secret code to get
on your pc to install them who knows

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Vista is satan's way to bring hell to earth.

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely
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No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's Faults

Personnal Advice To You:

15-Oct-07 03:50 AM

There was a SuSE Linux for Macs once.

- Twisted Vista

15-Oct-07 05:28 AM

I can see it is been a long time since you have tried Linux and I doubt
very seriously you have tried Ubuntu.

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15-Oct-07 05:30 AM

False.


False.


False.


Extremely false.


So says the MVP with his head the furthest up MS' ass.

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15-Oct-07 05:32 AM

All the real computer stores in Spain not only know what Ubuntu is, they
offer it. Oops.

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15-Oct-07 07:43 AM

In article <590F9332-C098-45C8-A0F9-EF28FF18659D@microsoft.com>,
arkara@ says...

Only if you don't place a value on your time.


Faster than Vista, but what isn't, it's not faster than XP or 2003 or
2000.


And yet we still see compromised Linux machines and still find
uncompromised windows machines.


And it needs them.


Same for Windows


Not true - newer hardware has less support, older hardware is supported
by "common" drivers that don't always provide specific product support.


LOL - I've seen people wipe their machines by accident.


Until you have a problem.


If it's that great why do you still need windows - if you're able to
secure windows (following basic instructions) then you don't need Linux
at all.


Same with windows.


I see, you're one of those FUD people.


Not a problem for those that ethically use their PC.


Kernel updates that crash the OS, incompatibility with people that run
Windows and MS Office, lack of popular game support...


Same with Windows.

[snip]

I find that I have plenty of choice and MS does not limit me in any
manner.

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15-Oct-07 10:18 AM

What a fukkin liar you are!
Frank

15-Oct-07 10:58 AM

IMHO - not easier - just a little different.

15-Oct-07 11:07 AM

Wow, what a convincing argument, Frank!

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15-Oct-07 11:54 AM

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:07:18 +0200, Alias <iamalias@shoesgmail.com>


Frank has trouble tying his shoes by himself. He knows next to nothing
about computers or for that matter anything as he's proved over and
over.

Frank is so dumb, if eating in a restaurant and the waiter asked him
if he would like ice cream or pie for desert Frank would simply
respond yes, then scream and yell if the waiter didn't know what his
choice was by answering yes to a multiple choice question that
couldn't be answered by yes. That's Frank. Dumb as the day is long.

ROTFLMAO!

15-Oct-07 12:32 PM

How can that be? There are thousands, nay, tens of thousands more Windows
users than Linux. That would mean that Linux has five thousand, fifty
thousand, times more problems than Linux!

Now if you subtract out the number of Linux devotees who post here, that
reduces the number of posts regarding Windows by, oh, half, which, in turn,
doubles the ratio of dissatisfied users of Linux.

That's just horrible!

The government should outlaw things that cause as much suffering! Maybe
Hillary could devise a "National Linux-Care Plan" to ameloriate the pain?

15-Oct-07 12:45 PM

* Carey Frisch [MVP]:

You have absolutely lost your mind, and I believe your
MVP status should be revoked.  You are a disgrace to
the MVP community.


-Michael

15-Oct-07 12:51 PM

* Charlie Tame:


Amen.  I cannot believe other MVPs have not spoken out about Carey's
decent into outright rudeness and enormous ignorance.

His MVP status needs to be revoked.


-Michael

15-Oct-07 01:11 PM

* MICHAEL:

That should be *descent*..... there is nothing decent about MVP Carey Frisch.


-Michael

15-Oct-07 02:27 PM

Fukkin drunk again adam?
Sober up loser.
Frank

15-Oct-07 02:31 PM

the mere fact that an "MVP" is so set against it makes a compelling argument
for people to actually consider it.

15-Oct-07 08:14 PM

Wrong again (as with most of your posts). I love Linux. It trumps Windoze
everyway you look at it.

Cheers.

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16-Oct-07 08:35 PM

In article <fevbre$4k3$8@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...

Downloaded Ubuntu 7.0.4 (current release) and installed it for a user
that had compromised their machine many times. Simple needs, video,
email, pop3 email, printer, word processor.

Installed Ubuntu - took about 20 minutes from wipe to first user.

Setup Evolution - but it doesn't insert a blank line when doing a reply.

About 20 more minutes of trying to find a Lexmark X6100 printer driver
to find that Lexmark doesn't have many printer drivers. X6100 is not
supported on Ubuntu by Lexmark at all - in fact, of all the O/S's listed
as supported, Ubuntu is NOT ONE OF THEM.

Video support, 1024x768 60hz and 800x600 60hz only - monitor does a lot
better than that.

Speed - slower than same machine with XP Prof on it and AVG for
antivirus.

Updates - now this is the funny part - did an update, 125 packages to
update, looks like about 45 minutes to download them... (and I've got a
dedicated 6mbps pipe on a business internet connection).

So, unless I can hack a Lexmark driver we're going to have to go back to
XP which fully supports the hardware and user.

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16-Oct-07 09:48 PM

Given that your user will most likely experience more of the same in
terms of compromises if returned to xp, and that the only real nits to
pick are evolution and the lexmark 6100, why not use tbird, and find a
printer solution other than lexmark? The printer issue is no different
than what many vista users have had to endure with no drivers available
for their previously functional hardware. And since the user may not
require your services so often, the cost of a new, linux friendly
printer should not be much of a financial issue (for him, not you). ;)

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16-Oct-07 11:55 PM

noone@afakeddomain.net says...

I actually like Evolution, it's a good product. Lexmark - yuck, not much
I can do about that.

The point of this is that even on a 2 year old machine, Ubuntu doesn't
support as much as XP does, on a common home users home computer.

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17-Oct-07 12:10 AM

I can't see anyone without an axe to grind disagreeing with that, XP is
so good with hardware (Naturally or nobody could sell the hardware) that
Vista was for many a disappointment. I mean it "Feels" like a huge
step backwards.

You might consider a look at a program called "ENVY" if teh PC has
NVidia GFX card and you probably could simply add 1280 X 1024 to the
list of resolutions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Note capital X) but that
might just put you back in the command like so copy

sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere you can copy it into a terminal
and execute it once before you start , then cursor up will get you there :)

17-Oct-07 12:28 AM

says...

LOL - that brings back memories of having to hack the config file using
vi when I installed mandrake on another machine.

What I was trying to show is that for many, Linux is still not viable -
it's about hardware and working with non-open source types that kills
it.

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17-Oct-07 12:46 AM

I tend to agree, there is a lack of simple information which is partly
due to the diversity, what I said above might well have 6 versions for
different linux.

I've recently set up several machines just for the hell of it and the
config ended up different on all of them, and I couldn't equate some of
the differences with anything if you know whet I mean, one system uses
one variable, one another and one has none at all for the particular
setting so the default must be good :)

So a lot of the info is out there, but not easily found.

17-Oct-07 01:55 PM

You might want to try the new Ubuntu 7.10 that will be released tomorrow
(18th). I suspect that the graphics issue you were having will be solved
as 7.10 has had a major overhaul in the graphics department.

Let me put it this way, 7.04 did not recognize my nVidia 8800 GTX and
dumped me on a 1024x768 desktop (default vesa driver resolution). I
suspect this is what is happening for you right now as well.

7.10 fully recognizes my 8800 GTX and gives me my 1600x1200 resolution.

About the only thing you may possibly have to do is go to the restricted
drivers manager (System->Administration->Restricted Drivers) and enable
the proprietary video card driver if necessary.

On that note, printers also have had an overhaul. They are supposed to be
plug and play auto-detect now without even the need to manually add the
printer. Just plug it in and print away.

I've yet to be able to test this though and I can't say if lexmark
support is any better. Only use HP printers and they are connected via
Ethernet.

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17-Oct-07 04:59 PM

In article <uOSdnfmzv4QI0YvanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...

Wonder what the upgrade path is?


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17-Oct-07 05:23 PM

FWIW I tried the Beta on here (Very few problems same setup previous
release 7.04) and it was truly crap, so I will hold my breath for a few
more hours.

Stephan seems to have done alright with it in Beta so probably a
combination of factors including the HW.

17-Oct-07 06:51 PM

It can be done using the upgrade manager.

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18-Oct-07 04:17 AM

I usually don't do in-place upgrades as I have my system setup where my
root and home partitions are separated. Allows me to do a reinstall
without affecting my data in about 90 minutes. Comes in handy when
running beta versions. =)

But either way, you can do an in-place upgrade either by running "sudo
upate-manager -c" from a command line. That'll initiate a distribution
upgrade check for the update manager and then you can go from there with
the GUI and it'll download all the new stuff. Expect it to take quite
some time though.

The other way is if you have a CD with the new version burned, you can
also use the CD to do the upgrade. I've never actually done this though
so I know little about the actual procedure involved.


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18-Oct-07 04:18 AM

Interesting, what was truly crap about it? What happened?

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