Windows 7 - Data on a 3.5 diskette

Asked By Den
05-Mar-10 03:06 PM
I realize this may be somewhat old school, but I have a problem with some
data on a 3.5 diskette using WinXP.   I put some personal data in a '.xls'
file on a 3.5 diskette and update it every now and then.  The other day when
I put the disk in to enter some new data, I received the following error
msg:  "book1.xls" cannot be accessed.  The file may be read-only, or you may
be trying to access a read-only location.  Or, the server the document is
stored on may not be responding.  My options at this point are "RETRY" or

I check the disk drive with other diskettes to see if it worked with them,
and they opened fine.  I copied another *.xls file to the diskette to see if
I could access it, and it worked fine.   I had no problem opening the 2nd
xls file on the diskette.  I ran error checking on the disk, and it came up
clean.  I tried disk-copy with no luck either. Can anyone help me with this,
or advise me where I can get help?

Thank you!
Dennis
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  DL replied to Den
05-Mar-10 03:18 PM
Presumably you tried to copy back to your HD, via command prompt?
Personally I would'nt edit any file stored on a floppy, niether would I use
a floppy or USB stick to store critical data, only for use in copying data
from A to B
  Anthony Buckland replied to Den
05-Mar-10 03:16 PM
You did not say whether you had checked the properties of
the offending file, to see whether you had accidentally set
it to read-only.  Regarding copying the file, what happened
when you tried?  Did it decline to copy?  Did it create another
file, also unusable?
  EN59CVH replied to DL
05-Mar-10 06:01 PM
who cares what you do or not do.  USB sticks are meant to create backups
and there is nothing wrong to edit files directly on them.

You are jobless drug junkie and consequently without any brains.  Your
opinion is not important here.
  EN59CVH replied to Den
05-Mar-10 06:14 PM
I suggest boot up your system in safe mode and then copy everything from
the flash-drive to your HD in a temporary folder.  Then perform a quick
format on your flash drive before re-using it.  You can then put
everything back on this drive and you will be able to access your
files.  It looks like you pulled the flash drive from the USB port
before doing the Safe Removal Operation.

hth
  Pegasus [MVP] replied to EN59CVH
05-Mar-10 06:29 PM
Mmh. Wasn't the OP talking about a 3.5" diskette?
  Gord Dibben replied to EN59CVH
05-Mar-10 06:50 PM
What type of flash drive is a 3.5 inch diskette?


Gord
  Gord Dibben replied to EN59CVH
05-Mar-10 06:57 PM
Excel creates a temporary file on the source disk when the file is opened.

If the temp file is not properly deleted when you close the file, Excel
still thinks the file is open and gives the "read-only" message.

Very common when opening from or saving directly to a floppy diskette.

Not a practice I would recommend.


Gord
  philo replied to Den
05-Mar-10 08:01 PM
quit wasting your time and throw it out and use another one
  Big_Al replied to Den
05-Mar-10 10:17 PM
Den said this on 3/5/2010 3:06 PM:

You can try doing a chkdsk on it.  Just like a hard drive.   Problem is,
the program will fix the disc but you may lose the data.
  Gordon replied to Den
06-Mar-10 11:43 AM
You NEVER edit MS Office files direct from a floppy disk. If you are old
enough to be using floppies then you should be old enough to know that doing
this is the quickest and easiest way to corrupted files.

You should be copying the file to your HDD, editing it from there and
re-saving to the floppy.
Even machines over TEN years old usually have USB ports....
  Twayne replied to Gordon
06-Mar-10 10:05 PM
Because they are handy. Because I have a lot of them. Because I know the need
refreshing on about a monthly cycle. Because they are large enough for most
data I need to sneakernet around. Because they are so cheap. Because they
work. Because they are reliable when treated correctly. Because they were
handy when I was making ASR floppies and using ntbackup.exe.   Because
they will format while you do other things and you lose no time with them.
Because I want to.
Also, when I read a query about a 3.5" diskette, I do not respond with

or not? You ARE aware of course, that nearly all disk drive and memory is
20th century equiment, right? Along with 90% of the other components used in
your computer that was bought just last week?


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  Gordon replied to Twayne
07-Mar-10 03:18 AM
Actually they are not. MB for MB a flash drive is FAR cheaper than
floppies...

10 1.44 MB diskettes - ?1.98. That's 14.4 MB for ?1.98 - ?0.14 per MB

2 *GB* flash drive ?5.49. That's two THOUSAND MB for ?5.49 - that' ?.002 per
MB.
And flash drives last much longer than floppies...
  Ken Blake, MVP replied to Gordon
07-Mar-10 09:36 AM
Good point, and one that I never thought about before.

As a general rule, the more bytes some storage device holds, the
cheaper it is per byte.

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  ybS2okj replied...
07-Mar-10 09:21 PM
Another nutter who has leant a new word today!  It seems all he knows is
complete and utter rubbish.  His mummy is to busy s u c king c0cks!
  Twayne replied...
08-Mar-10 01:38 PM
And now you have a few reasong; I am sure there are more.
HTH,

Twayne`
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  Twayne replied...
08-Mar-10 01:37 PM
Moron.

You said it, not me.  You are supposed to answer the OP, not run off on
tangents and make yourself look like a "look mom, no hands!" dummy. Again,
the querant never asked anything about anything but floppies.

HTH,

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  Unknown replied...
08-Mar-10 02:41 PM
The manufacturer of my computer updates my BIOS by me downloading the update
which is
written to a floppy. I then boot with the floppy inserted and my BIOS is
updated.
Should something happen to my BIOS, I have a copy of it on a floppy.
This is why I use a floppy in the 21st century.
  Gordon replied to Unknown
08-Mar-10 03:54 PM
And that is probably the ONLY reason for using a floppy.....
  Unknown replied to Gordon
08-Mar-10 04:37 PM
Not really. Whenever friends, relatives etc. want to give others a program
or similar, we do it via the floppy.
  Twayne replied to Unknown
08-Mar-10 08:03 PM
Unknown, you may already know, but ... floppies lose their magnetic
properties over time (thus they become unusable or the data corrupts).  It
starts at about two month point depending on the quality and age of the
floppy, usually being closer to 6 months for el-cheapos and around a year
for higher quality with good care. Before data corrupts, I mean.

To prevent that, it is best to copy them to CD/DVD for long term storage.
it is quick & easy to make a new floppy.

The way to keep the floppy "refreshed" is to copy all the data off it to
your hard drive and then simply copy all the data back to the floppy. In
business, we used to do that monthly. I'd still do it monthly if I wanted a
floppy to persist for the long term.  But do not let the floppy be the only
copy of the files; back them up too so you can always make another floppy.
In the real world, I discovered a cache of about 100 floppies, some with
some interesting files on them, and after over 5 years, still managed to get
the data off over 55% of them.  I was astonished!  The software I used was a
100-pass program: It would try to read the data 100 times and then pick the
sequence with the same identical data per try, and if it was over a certain
number,  call that the "data". It was surprisingly accurate for some of the
play with sometimes.

HTH,

Twayne`


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  Twayne replied to Gordon
08-Mar-10 08:07 PM
Or to make ASR diskettes and a host of other things. Would you believe even
the CP/M OS is still viable and in use in several places?  Just because
something is not mainstream is no reason to assume it is never used or only
has one use, etc.. MSDOS for instance, is even still mainstream.

HTH,

Twayne`
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  Gordon replied to Unknown
09-Mar-10 03:36 AM
Lat time I saw a PROGRAM that fitted on a floppy there were 24 of them......
  Bill in Co. replied...
09-Mar-10 10:11 PM
But "those people" are all sock poppets.   Don't you know that by now?   :-)
  Gordon replied...
10-Mar-10 03:06 AM
The problem is from my point of view (and experience) is that floppies are
completely erratic as to when they DO fail. My point in starting this was
that there are far more reliable and cheaper methods available to day for
data storage. I would not dream of using a floppy today and if I had data on
floppies I would transfer it to one of the far more robust storage methods.
  John John - MVP replied to Gordon
10-Mar-10 07:08 AM
No arguments from anyone there, they are frail and they do fail,
sometimes they fail almost as soon as they come out of the box.  We know
that they are not the best storage media but Twayne's assertion that they
all fail in a year unless you do a Kabuki dance and refresh them is rubbish.

John
  Unknown replied...
10-Mar-10 10:57 AM
I have no idea why you have such flawed thinking. Music media prior to CD's
was cassettes.
I have many cassettes purchased in 1984 thru 1986 in Japan. They all still
work (play)
I have floppies dating from 1994  during Windows 95 that still work.
Are you just hell bent on being negative??
I am NOT saying they are very reliable, should be used on anything of that
nature.
BUT, they are not as bad as you make them out to be.
Cars wear out. Does that mean I must take a bus?
  Unknown replied...
10-Mar-10 11:41 AM
When a technology (such as cassette tapes) is superseded by a newer
technology (such as CD's) you have the knack of
being EXTREMELY negative of the older technology and preach how bad they
were even though billions of
cassettes and floppies were used and sold.
What on earth will you spout off when the internal combustion engine is
superseded by a newer technology?
Yet, you take the worst possible technology (registry cleaners) and praise
them.  Pelosi. (BS).
  Unknown replied...
11-Mar-10 12:10 PM
Great logical thinking.
  Terry R. replied to Unknown
11-Mar-10 01:24 PM
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  Unknown replied to Terry R.
11-Mar-10 01:44 PM
Do you know why they really got a bad reputation? Why they 'appeared' to
fail almost immediately?
  Bob I replied to Unknown
11-Mar-10 03:13 PM
Humm, Media Descriptor Bit?
  Unknown replied to Bob I
11-Mar-10 04:59 PM
That is one reason but not the only.
  Bob I replied to Unknown
11-Mar-10 05:10 PM
That was the major one, 720's were the other but not so big.
  Unknown replied to Bob I
12-Mar-10 01:38 PM
The major one was a programming error.
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